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Merc Contracts channel. abusive of power

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Kai Tears
THE GOD SQUAD
#61 - 2013-09-15 10:35:52 UTC
Domineren wrote:
Kai Tears wrote:
True words...

...unstable? Mentally? This coming from holeysheet is so ironic its priceless

You think I'm a Holey alt? Adorable!
I take it Kai86 never told you who I am then...

But we're going off topic here.
Devil's deserves a spot in the Merc Channel or all the mercs deserve a new channel.

I'm so pretty!...

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#62 - 2013-09-15 11:18:12 UTC
Confirming he is not a Marmite Blink

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#63 - 2013-09-15 12:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Razpataz
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Whores in Space got the same mail Devils got, and they sent the same response asking for an exception since RB would not have anything to do with their contracts and had behaved up to that point. Despite warnings Whores kept asserting they could handle it and there wouldnt be any problems. Well, there were problems.

What makes Devils different from Whores in Space in this context? Or from the other 3 occasions RB has been given a chance in some form or another only to abuse it? I saw and continue to see no reason it would be different THIS time with THIS alliance. So I did the responsible thing, learned from history, and held firm to a decision the mods made together which has time and time again been proven prudent.

To be clear, Devils as an alliance is not banned from the channel, they just are not listed.

@Adriel I'm not as personally familiar with Cannibal's case as Khromius and would probably defer to his judgement on the subject, which seems to be that it's fine.

I'm very curious to know what all this power i have is. Someone tell me, it sounds like fun lol.


I'm curious how the drama in whores affected the merc channel or mods in any way?
Did'nt Rebirth try to take over the alliance and got booted... never thought internal drama in an alliance could ever be any of the mods business?
Well.. to be fair.. you said to me that TFS was delisted because of it (You told me Yendaj said that was the reason)

I have to say... I've been in Merc channel 18 hours a day for the last 8 months.. and never saw any drama related to Whores or Rebirth, before your angry mail showed up giving me an ultimatum.
Alek, how much time have you used in that channel? Do you even know whats going on?

EDIT; I forgot to mention.. every time Rebirth/Kai86 been mentioned in that channel.. its coming from specific persons bring them into the conversation. without any rime or reason... just pure grudge.

Like your mail to me.. if you just could have let it be.. until they actually did something..
All this drama was started by YOU!
Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#64 - 2013-09-15 13:50:42 UTC
Just to add something.. http://pastebin.com/WejgNd7h
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#65 - 2013-09-15 15:06:32 UTC
One day I hope a select few people in this game would stop generalizing others. Honestly every time yendaj spouts on the forums I feel worse and worse for the general population. Not that we can't handle her BS but that some people actually believe her.

1. When Rebirth joined Whores In Space Yendaj was immediately against it. I thought a baby crying in a movie theater was more annoying but no. Every time I joined comms she would try to argue with a rebirth member. Her drama would get even worse when I went on vacation. I'd be at a football game and receive a call from one of my members explaining how Yendaj was tearing apart the alliance.

You see this is where I don't generalize like a select few. I could have easily said The Final Stand caused all of the problems in whores but it was actually yendaj. This is like saying rebirth scammed 35 billion from the merc channel when it was actually just Uncle Bao. Yes Bao was in my corp too so I know all about him and his tricks :) He was not kicked for being a nasty pirate though. He was kicked for being rude!

2. As the years go by one would also hope the Merc Channel Mods would stay up to date knowing which mercs are bark or bite. I say this because Devils actually have bite. In a marketing sense why remove an entity from your channel that actually makes customers using your channel happy? This is like youtube removing Machinima because 3 years ago they reviewed a bad game. Why take away a feature that the customers liked??

3. When all is said and done I do hope the right thing prevails. I do see where this ignorance is coming from though... It's the world we live in... That's why all Americans are "fat", all Mexicans are "illegal", all French are "scared to fight", all Middle Eastern people are "terrorists", or all people that play Eve are "nerds." Lesson here? Don't judge a book by it's cover?

"It is not possible either to trick or escape the mind of Zeus."

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#66 - 2013-09-15 15:34:31 UTC
If only more people would see the light and stop generalizing corps/alliances..... Blink

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#67 - 2013-09-15 16:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: SB Rico
As a third party with about as much interest in the merc world as in the mining industry ( no offense we all pay our subs and if you enjoy merc life grats and keep it up)

It seems to me there is a lot of anger and resentment over this issue and with detachment it seems as if to me the following points are worth mentioning...

1. Alex and his collegues own and run the channel, so at the end of the day they have the right to remove any entity they wish for whatever reason.

2. They really have no need to justify their decision (in fact in these situations it is often wise for mods not to discuss the issue publicly as the best you can hope for is to not make things worse).

3. There is no reason the kicked mercs cannot start there own rival channel and work to lure merc entities/clients away.

Ultimately let me sum up as a third party.

Alex etc. can do what they like with their channel, they obviously worked to make it efficient and as such deserve credit for that.
If you are banned pull your fingers out and do something constructive, start your own channel, war dec and systematically destroy noir. don't come crying in forums it demeans you.

Complaining in C&P should be reserved for people who got blown up.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.

AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-09-15 16:57:26 UTC
SB Rico wrote:
As a third party with about as much interest in the merc world as in the mining industry ( no offense we all pay our subs and if you enjoy merc life grats and keep it up)

It seems to me there is a lot of anger and resentment over this issue and with detachment it seems as if to me the following points are worth mentioning...

1. Alex and his collegues own and run the channel, so at the end of the day they have the right to remove any entity they wish for whatever reason.

2. They really have no need to justify their decision (in fact in these situations it is often wise for mods not to discuss the issue publicly as the best you can hope for is to not make things worse).

3. There is no reason the kicked mercs cannot start there own rival channel and work to lure merc entities/clients away.

Ultimately let me sum up as a third party.

Alex etc. can do what they like with their channel, they obviously worked to make it efficient and as such deserve credit for that.
If you are banned pull your fingers out and do something constructive, start your own channel, war dec and systematically destroy noir. don't come crying in forums it demeans you.

Complaining in C&P should be reserved for people who got blown up.


I was with you until the crying on the foums part. This forum section is typically the domain aof pirates and mercs and seeing as that channel is the most well known and famour merc channel then it really is the concern of this section of the forums. People are not crying they are instead having a debate. Debate is good.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-09-15 17:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
**** forums ate a good post, too lazy to type it again.
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-09-15 18:29:24 UTC
Posting in a childish whine thread.

Buy Solstice Project for PLEX4GOOD ! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=301266 (this alt-character will get deleted once the sale is done, on 6th of december)

Istyn
Freight Club
#71 - 2013-09-15 18:35:03 UTC
I'm not sure you're alt posting correctly.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#72 - 2013-09-15 18:55:32 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
SB Rico wrote:
As a third party with about as much interest in the merc world as in the mining industry ( no offense we all pay our subs and if you enjoy merc life grats and keep it up)

It seems to me there is a lot of anger and resentment over this issue and with detachment it seems as if to me the following points are worth mentioning...

1. Alex and his collegues own and run the channel, so at the end of the day they have the right to remove any entity they wish for whatever reason.

2. They really have no need to justify their decision (in fact in these situations it is often wise for mods not to discuss the issue publicly as the best you can hope for is to not make things worse).

3. There is no reason the kicked mercs cannot start there own rival channel and work to lure merc entities/clients away.

Ultimately let me sum up as a third party.

Alex etc. can do what they like with their channel, they obviously worked to make it efficient and as such deserve credit for that.
If you are banned pull your fingers out and do something constructive, start your own channel, war dec and systematically destroy noir. don't come crying in forums it demeans you.

Complaining in C&P should be reserved for people who got blown up.


I was with you until the crying on the foums part. This forum section is typically the domain aof pirates and mercs and seeing as that channel is the most well known and famour merc channel then it really is the concern of this section of the forums. People are not crying they are instead having a debate. Debate is good.


I understand your point but as a pirate with no affiliation or interest in merc issues a lot of the posting here reads like someone complaining they got their ship blown up...

ie they took the ball away and I want it back,

I recognize it is an important issue to a merc alliance but feel mercs and pirates should not resort to words to resolve our disputes, we are better than that as a group surely? Evil

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.

Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#73 - 2013-09-15 19:06:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Razpataz
SB Rico wrote:
I understand your point but as a pirate with no affiliation or interest in merc issues a lot of the posting here reads like someone complaining they got their ship blown up...

ie they took the ball away and I want it back,

I recognize it is an important issue to a merc alliance but feel mercs and pirates should not resort to words to resolve our disputes, we are better than that as a group surely? Evil


Means to an end..
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#74 - 2013-09-15 20:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Zeus Maximo wrote:
This is like saying rebirth scammed 35 billion from the merc channel when it was actually just Uncle Bao.

If not for multiple source confirmation of knowledge and approval of Bao's shenanigans by RB directors, you'd have a point.

Lord Raz rage wrote:

Alek, how much time have you used in that channel? Do you even know whats going on?

You mean the channel I co founded before your alliance existed? I've been using it for quite a while. Over the years I, PitBoss, and a few other hard working mods (nods to Khromius) have dealt with scammers, contract disputes, mercs rising/falling/fighting/allying, etc. I'd say I've got an idea of what's going on and what's been going on the past four or five years.

You can scapegoat me all you want but RB's been blacklisted through at least two sets of channel mods. Every opportunity they've been given has been shown to be a mistake within 3 months. Devils and their friends can say we're being mean or unfair but they offer no reason why this is a special case.

I can understand Lord Raz/Feyd feeling defensive about "being told what to do" or w/e, but that doesn't mean I or anyone else has to share their naivete. Rebirth. has a years long history of undermining the integrity of the mercenary community and neither they nor alliances containing them are going to be endorsed by Merc Contracts channel; it's as simple as that.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#75 - 2013-09-15 21:01:08 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Zeus Maximo wrote:
This is like saying rebirth scammed 35 billion from the merc channel when it was actually just Uncle Bao.

If not for multiple source confirmation of knowledge and approval of Bao's shenanigans by RB directors, you'd have a point.


Knowledge of and approval does not indicate partaking in. I find it hilarious when anyone manages to scam people out of the contracts channel, but this does not mean I partake in it.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

Jake Patton
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2013-09-15 21:21:07 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Lord Raz rage wrote:

A question...

Really? Are we changing names in quotes already? I was not aware one could sink this deep so fast Alek...
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-09-15 21:48:18 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Zeus Maximo wrote:

Lord Raz rage wrote:



So Aleks i think the only thing people are looking for is a reasonable argument for why it happend...
So far you've given a "this happend in the past" and completely denied a voice from a guy that was in whores, except for the line you wanted to reply to.

If this is the 'only' thing you can respond with, and even changed raz name in a quote, i truly wonder how you managed to keep this channel alive for so long.

The channel SHOULD be a tool for mercs, not a place for you to play with your powers.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 

Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-09-15 22:36:56 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Rebirth. has a years long history...


At least they have a history for something...
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-09-15 22:53:42 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Rebirth. has a years long history...


At least they have a history for something...

Nice burn xolve. :P

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 

Angel Violette
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#80 - 2013-09-16 00:12:54 UTC
Devils' is relisted ! Let freedom ring !

I'm the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt. I'm a surprise, They don't see me coming: that's what you're missing.