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destroyers - gankers and high sec

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Lady Areola Fappington
#61 - 2013-09-15 17:56:02 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Jim Roebuck wrote:
800DPS Dessie, where can I get that fit?


[Catalyst, Gank Heavy]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
[Empty Rig slot]


Zainou 'Deadeye' Small Hybrid Turret SH-606
Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink

802 DPS hot void. Of course, you will never see a pod like that so...RF-903 and SH-603 give you 747DPS. Also, you will likely never encounter the 9.5mil T2 aerator in a ganking setup, so you get about 728DPS @max skills



Looks about right, with absolute max skills everywhere. Honestly though, most gankers I personally know just train a gank alt in a spare slot in an account. They didn't want to waste a ton of time training, so DPS ends up between 500-650. Basically, once you can nuke an untanked maki and pod in 0.7, there's no need to train any more.

Also, that ganker pod jeez...used to make fun of a guy who regularly lost 100mil gank pods....

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-09-15 17:58:24 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Does it matter?

None of the mining barges need any more of a buff. EVE is not a place where you can happily do what you want anywhere. You are always in danger you are always potentially dead. Thats the point of EVE.

Now please please get over this hissy fit of dying and stop worrying!


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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#63 - 2013-09-15 18:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Yep, as said the standard for a heavy cata is this:

[Catalyst, Gank Heavy]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

708DPS with RF-903 and SH-603, ~12mil procurement cost. Its also counter-intuitive to get the small blaster to V, so you end up at 695.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#64 - 2013-09-15 18:00:27 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Does it matter?

None of the mining barges need any more of a buff. EVE is not a place where you can happily do what you want anywhere. You are always in danger you are always potentially dead. Thats the point of EVE.

Now please please get over this hissy fit of dying and stop worrying!

yu kneed to reed mor thuroly yu mis poeint loock lice funy klown

You need to switch to water (and a dash of salt) right about now.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-09-15 18:06:15 UTC
Belana Mawr wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge).



Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff

and still have time to pop your pod,


You can easily make a skiff with over 50K EHP. I know one guy with max skills with over 70K EHP.

Thats more than two destroyers worth.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#66 - 2013-09-15 18:10:53 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
Yep, as said the standard for a heavy cata is this:

[Catalyst, Gank Heavy]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

708DPS with RF-903 and SH-603, ~12mil procurement cost. Its also counter-intuitive to get the small blaster to V, so you end up at 695.


Looks about what I use for a T2. Typically save those T2 fits for solo ganking, or going out on whale hunts. For a typical group gank though, meta fits are fine and dandy.

If you didn't know, some of us have started situationally fitting ECCM, too. Few anti-ganker bros out there have started using Grifs to jam us out.


Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#67 - 2013-09-15 18:18:18 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.

If you don't get that, than I seriously have to question your understanding of the human condition... just saying Blink

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RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-09-15 18:18:22 UTC
Well, take some of that care bear money and buy some mercs. Problem solved. Or join an alliance that at the drop of a hat open fire on concorde. :)
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#69 - 2013-09-15 18:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Didn't know about EW pickets in HS...haven't seen any in Kino so far. At least that's...trying to do something...XD

Quote:
Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.


Its a mentality problem, really. Most ppl do not understand that miner ganking or bumping provides another layer of social interaction for players in HS, both on the offense and the defense. The problem stems from the fact that the "defenders" really do not even try to capitalize on a vast array of actions they can perform to augment their defense or fight back.
Dave Stark
#70 - 2013-09-15 18:20:12 UTC
i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

guess how many catalysts it took?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#71 - 2013-09-15 18:33:41 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just seen a freighter get ganked.


Just one? You need to stay logged in longer. I've seen one die every 20 minutes since DT. True story, bro.
Dave Stark
#72 - 2013-09-15 18:35:14 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just seen a freighter get ganked.


Just one? You need to stay logged in longer. I've seen one die every 20 minutes since DT. True story, bro.


i was just semi afking my way to jita in my orca, i wasn't even looking for freighters!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2013-09-15 18:39:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

guess how many catalysts it took?

None?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#74 - 2013-09-15 18:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

guess how many catalysts it took?

More importantly how much did the Catalysts used, if any, cost? Military experts say you can get 800 DPS from one for as little as 3 million isk.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#75 - 2013-09-15 18:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
Shalua Rui wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.

If you don't get that, than I seriously have to question your understanding of the human condition... just saying Blink



Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways.


Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike.

I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#76 - 2013-09-15 18:44:18 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:

With align and tank, it's a fail against a Catalyst for either a Covetor or a Hulk. There is no defense in .6 or .5. Maybe with a faction fitting.... but the expense is ridiculous.


Here toy go. 92k EHP versus Void. Right ship for the job, and all that. You shouldn't expect survivability from things with a paper tank. This is why we use d-scan set at semi-close range, so that we can see the nasty Catalyst incoming.

[Procurer, Cheap Tanked Procurer]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Thermic Dissipation Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin I x5
Dave Stark
#77 - 2013-09-15 18:48:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i've just seen a freighter get ganked.

guess how many catalysts it took?

None?


correct.
they used tornados.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-09-15 18:53:09 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.

If you don't get that, than I seriously have to question your understanding of the human condition... just saying Blink



Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways.


Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike.

I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.


Well apparently some police think so....

http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/09/14/123236/student-arrested-for-using-phone-app-to-shoot-classmates

I'm not agreeing with it, but you can be arrested for it.

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Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-09-15 18:56:18 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the funny thing..here we are, handing out fits, offering to take miners out ganking, the whole nine yards...yet they'll stubbornly hold the "moral high ground" refuse to do anything to better their position, then complain when they get popped.

If you don't get that, than I seriously have to question your understanding of the human condition... just saying Blink



Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways.


Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike.

I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.


Well....

According to quantum physics.... oh forget it.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#80 - 2013-09-15 18:56:37 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Human condition..it's a video game, eesh. Some of you people blur the line between reality and fantasy in unhealthy ways.


Using similar logic, I must be a member of a terrorist organization, because I play the terrorists in counterstrike.

I seem to use this example a lot. If me and Tippia met in-game, I would likely be trying to kill him, and vice versa. If me and Tippia met RL, I would invite him out for a drink.

That's not what I meant, sorry... English is not my first language and from time to time my manner of speaking is a tad... convoluted? Blink

What I'm trying to say: Most people don't like to be told what to do, especially when they don't think the people telling them stuff are in no position to do so...

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