Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you didn't exist, this thread wouldn't have been derailed.

Unfortunately.

Dis gon be gud

…which means modifying the physics engine — possibly very large parts of it to ensure the right data is available everywhere it's needed — which they're loath to do because it's such a brittle and critical system. You would also have to make it interact with completely new systems that now have to fight for processing time, which could prove to be a bad thing.

In that particular post, he said that there was no need for a physics engine because there was no point in having one to simulate movement. So no, he said that if there is no physics, then there's no need for physics engine to simulate those effects — maybe one would be needed if collisions were involved…

Earlier, he said — talking about an actual physics engine — that “collision detection *IS* the physics model. […] that's the PRIME job of a physics engine, is to work out collisions.”, which was in the context of EVE, as shown by the paragraphs surrounding it.


…except that that's not a certain outcome. Just because movement is all made up doesn't mean that ships of the same type would move differently. In fact, having it all made up tends to ensure that they move more the same than if it was all run through a (fuzzy-precision and possibly non-deterministic) simulation. If you ever saw a multiplayer game with gameplay-irrelevant physics modelling, you will have noticed how physics objects have a nasty tendency not to act the same for different players.

Go play a good old side-scroller — I like Silkworm, personally. It has no physics engine. It has parallax scrolling to simulate constant movement of the player's ship. It has fixed x- and y-movement to simulate (momentarily) slowing down or speeding up in relation to that constant movement. It has a few dozen different enemies that move across the screen in pre-determined patterns at pre-determined times to simulate stuff coming at you or flying/driving away from you or you flying (and driving) towards them. A jump is simulated by following a pre-determined path along the y axis — no physics is used to determine either height or length of the jump.

All of it is made up. All of it simulates movement of various kinds. All of it is also highly consistent and predictable (which is where the skill is supposed to come in — timing your movement with the frames of animation of the enemies).

…and all that to “solve” something that's not actually a problem to begin with.

I don't see how you have that sort of information unless you yourself are or were an EvE developer. Its hardly likely they would have let you have a look at the code if you were not.

If that is the case, what you described would be required then the code is very poorly written imo. In OOP you should be able to pass data items with all the information of the object being examined (a ship) and use it very easily. You should be able to access that data in different functions very easily. It why they invented OOP so you could do just that without data getting locked into or out of functions or messing up other functions when something is changed in another.

In EvE ships seem to all work exactly the same. You fit a module to two ships of the same type and they move exactly the same. They don't appear to be randomly assigned different attributes.

Anyway as I said before I don't know nor have I seen EvE's code and that's why I was being general and stated that specifically in a prior post.

This was a fantastic and well-reasoned post by someone who obviously understands how to mitigate many potential risks while operating a freighter in high security space.

Sadly, I fully expect that it will receive the same treatment from other freighter captains as all such posts do: It will be railed against as being impractical or outright wrong, and ignored.

Bumping is just about the the most ****** up mechanic in the game.

But it's there and it's not going anywhere soon so learn to minimize the situations that will put you in the crosshairs if you are in a vulnerable ship. Plenty of people manage to do just that and even manage to make a good income by it.

What would be worse than bumping is flagging bumping. Although it would make the forums full of entertaining threads.

Mr Epeen

That's fine by me. I don't relish tears from griefing people.

I do admit to enjoying tears shed by the willfully ignorant. Freighter ganking is completely appropriate in this game because there are ways of avoiding it.

I understand it completely. I'm human.

People spend a lot of time getting in game items... losing them is a loss. That's not an inappropriate response.

Misunderstanding that point, is to lack empathy.

The problem... is undocking with something you are not willing to lose. That's the issue. That's what needs to be corrected.

But enjoying the tears when someone loses something they care about? I'm not part of that crew.

Tugboat, small ship used for changing the direction of, and propelling, much larger ones via pushing (bumping) and pulling.