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A quick question for the lore team...
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Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#1 - 2013-08-30 14:33:17 UTC
It has been quite a while since I last looked at the evelopedia, hoping for some progress towards allowing us a deeper insight into the lore. Not much to see even many months later..

Several sentences would suffice to give us a clearer understanding of what we hold in the repositories of Arek'Jaalan..

I find it annoying that we can recover objects from across the cluster, but, have absolutely NO idea of even the general makeup and appearance of these objects.. Several of us tried to give a general idea of their makeup purely from the nomenclature. Such was sketchy, at best..

For instance, the Takhmal left us this item. But even after lengthy possession and research, the best we can say is it's a statue.. Sad...

Does it look like this? Or this?

As I said, several sentences would suffice.. Is it really that much of a time sink, or would you just rather not say, as it would blow some of the fog away from your mystery? I understand you are drawing it out and playing it for all it's worth, but, really...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#2 - 2013-09-14 14:13:35 UTC

A good question, but also some assumptions, it could equally be like these.

http://www.andalucia.com/image/cities/huelva/MVC070030117colonHuelva.jpg

http://images.artparks.co.uk/sculpture/big_img/sculpture_artwork_beatrice_hoffman_first_goddess_1.jpg

Or even given it is heretical, perhaps even this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Statue_of_Liberty_7.jpg

We really do need a way to get further into this.

I think a more detailed descriptions, but revealed by a specialist kind of archaeological research jobs.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#3 - 2013-09-15 09:31:47 UTC
As someone who studied Takmahl things for Arek'Jaalan, then my opinion might be useful here. heh.

I have a pile of those statues somewhere, found through my efforts for A'J.

The Takmahl, as a branch of Sani Sabik, might have referred to their god as "The Red God", as many modern Sani Sabik do.

The Takmahl departed from the Empire near the beginning of space flight, so the earlier books of Scripture would probably be the main influence on their art.

From the Scriptures, book II, we have the passages:
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen."
- The Scriptures, Book II 2:1

"Casting his sight on his realm, the Lord witnessed
The cascade of evil, the torrents of war.
Burning with wrath, He stepped
down from the Heavens
To judge the unworthy,
To redeem the pure."
- The Scriptures, Book II, Revelations 2:12


So, my thought would be, that the statues would frequently be of red stone, or copper alloys, to be "the red god", differing from the gold god statues of the Amarr Empire.

And would frequently take the form of a giant figure "drowning sinners in their own blood", or a flame-wrapped figure "Stepping down from the Heavens".

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#4 - 2013-09-15 14:37:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Given all the "way back" hints and such, I opt for something more like this.. Thank you both, my point exactly, Arek'Jaalan supposedly performed a thorough investigation of the items, yet we don't even have a half assed physical description of any of these items.

For all we know it could be this.. Given the heretical nature of the Sabik, this is my favorite.. Blink Though Val makes a few good points, maybe something more like this..

But then, "Truth, it is said, consists in the agreement of cognition with its object. In consequence of this mere nominal definition, my cognition, to count as true, is supposed to agree with its object. Now I can compare the object with my cognition, however, only by cognizing it. Hence my cognition is supposed to confirm itself, which is far short of being sufficient for truth. For since the object is outside me, the cognition in me, all I can ever pass judgement on is whether my cognition of the object agrees with my cognition of the object."

Can't even glean a subjective truth without a greater degree of cognition.... P

Come to think of it Valerie, I haven't seen any gold god statues of the Amarr.. What do those look like?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.