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Why small corps can't access null sec ?

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2013-09-15 12:49:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
3. Ratting and doing anoms / plexes are dangerous because npcs scram. - you can leave a covert alt on the gates, no one can hot drop you or probe you down and warp straight to you.

then divide however much money you made by the number of alts you left on the gates plus the ratter

you consistantly fail to comprehend the difference between raw numbers of what you can make under perfect conditions and actual income

also only a certain number of people can rat

also if nullsec was so great and safe there'd be more people around

Can't divide by zero I'm afraid. I watch local. I'm not particularly risk averse anyway. I don't care, I give them a "gf" regardless of whether it was one or 20 and get a new ship.

if your post has nothing to do with the post you're quoting, don't quote it
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#162 - 2013-09-15 13:20:16 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
3. Ratting and doing anoms / plexes are dangerous because npcs scram. - you can leave a covert alt on the gates, no one can hot drop you or probe you down and warp straight to you.

then divide however much money you made by the number of alts you left on the gates plus the ratter

you consistantly fail to comprehend the difference between raw numbers of what you can make under perfect conditions and actual income

also only a certain number of people can rat

also if nullsec was so great and safe there'd be more people around

Can't divide by zero I'm afraid. I watch local. I'm not particularly risk averse anyway. I don't care, I give them a "gf" regardless of whether it was one or 20 and get a new ship.

if your post has nothing to do with the post you're quoting, don't quote it

You guys literally have me speechless today. You asked me to divide however much money I made by the number of alts I had on the gate. There were no alts on the gate therefore I told you that I cannot divide by 0 (the number of alts on the gate).

Thank you.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#163 - 2013-09-15 13:31:23 UTC
Dear lord. Roll
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2013-09-15 13:38:26 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Dear lord. Roll

Are you drunk?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#165 - 2013-09-15 14:01:37 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.


You're silly OP. You don't need to be in a major alliance or corp to live in 0.0. My corp only consisted of me and 1 friend, plus our alts, and we lived in 0.0 successfully for many months until I got bored after real life intervened for my friend and he pretty much stopped playing EVE. We had 4 POS up and running, harvesting moon materials, as well as having our own PI stuff on planets, mined asteroids, ratted, did PvP. Sure, it was NPC 0.0, but it was still 0.0 and we reaped the benefits from 0.0.

Put your mind to it, then you can do it. Don't blame anyone but yourself. Stop making excuses and think you need a golden ticket to 0.0.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#166 - 2013-09-15 14:40:42 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:


You're silly OP.


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Spurty
#167 - 2013-09-15 15:14:16 UTC
Op: your question is flawed due to being either short sighted or too open ended.

If you want to go to 0.0 you can and can not be stopped by any power there.

If you want to stay there you will be noticed (set up a pos and an email scheduling its demise is automatically mailed to people already there)

If you want to be successful there you will have to fight for it.

Winning these sorts of fights has nothing to do with pvp acumen, only numbers of blues you can accrue willing to log in to help defend you.

What you need is some (in eve there is no zero max size of blues . If you're not aiming for max size, its going to be a short lived experience) friends and a plan!

Good luck anyway.

Null is dull

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#168 - 2013-09-15 16:34:47 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Who is the troll here anyway ?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say... you.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#169 - 2013-09-15 16:37:45 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.


"Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?"

You don't have to. But if 1000 guys want the same space as your 100 guys, then all else being equal, it's likely that the 1000 guys will probably win. If you think you can take on those odds, good luck to you, but why should CCP favour your 100 over their 1000? Alternatively, your corp can move to NPC space today.

"Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine."

They do, but every extra corp that joins an alliance is extra administrative overhead, extra competition for scarce office resources, an extra avenue for spies and awoxers and an extra voice claiming to be entitled to have their say in the alliance leadership.

The problem is that a lot of the big players don't want that space but they take it anyway, because its so easy to take. They don't use it, need it, don't even go into it. They take it, if someone goes in there and tries to claim it they get a little mail from the server, even though they haven't been there for ages and take it as a personal affront, bridge in caps, wipe the guys out, then abandon it again.

Its a stupid system that favours the lazy. Now with the rental boom, you see alliances like Goons go into Period basis and drop a TCU in every system in that region. You go out there and it says Goonswarm Federation, but not a single goon is in the region.


You'll find no disagreement from me that the sov system is bad and should be put in a bag and drowned, but regardless of the system that is eventually implemented, the fact will remain: large powerful groups will dominate small, weak groups, and large powerful groups will usually act in their own self interest to remain so. There is a cost and overhead to endlessly recruiting small inexperienced corps - indeed when an alliance does this it is one of the surest precursors of an inevitable failcascade within a few months.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#170 - 2013-09-15 16:38:35 UTC
Spurty wrote:


Winning these sorts of fights has nothing to do with pvp acumen, only numbers of blues you can accrue willing to log in to help defend you.


So true. That's why TEST and the HBC dominate the South Roll

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#171 - 2013-09-15 17:11:27 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Who is the troll here anyway ?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say... you.


Why you have such an option for me ?
I just did a question and everyone go furious at me.
Anyway...