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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#221 - 2013-09-12 14:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
now I understand, everybody keeps telling me here that all will love arenas and leagues so much that nobody will play anything else in the game anymore

and that is a bad thing because you need to have people who play stuff they don't like

those people here sure know what gaming is about Roll
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#222 - 2013-09-12 14:12:15 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
you guys won't touch arenas, so all will be fine...

other gamers will come to play arenas, they won't distract you from your SoV warfare

or are you telling me now, you fear you get addicted to arenas as well?

I'm telling you that PvP oriented people would play arenas, and the whole idea of EVE would be destroyed. Slowly the economy would die, plex sales would decrease, the population would dwindle and eventually EVE would be gone.
Basically as far as I see it, CCP can give you arenas, as long as:
a) your ships get destroyed exactly as now, you have to fit a ship and fly to the arena to fight.
b) the arena is not off limits to anyone. You can be hot dropped in the arena.
c) There's no instant teleportation or systematically enforced ship restrictions.

Basically, as long as it stay sandbox it's fine, but that's not what you want. You want infinite ships, teleportation to the arena and rule enforce leagues.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#223 - 2013-09-12 14:13:27 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
now I understand, everybody keeps telling me here that all will love arenas and leagues so much that nobody will play anything else in the game anymore

and that is a bad thing because you need to have people who play stuff they don't like

those people here sure know what gaming is about Roll

Sigh, proving once again you are an idiot.
I'll make it as simple as I can.

WE LIKE EVE
WE WANT EVE TO STAY SANDBOX
YOU WANT EVE TO BE WOW
YOU CAN **** OFF

simple enough?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2013-09-12 15:02:25 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Again a sandbox will allow you to do these options you are talking about, but they will not be implemented the way you'd like them to be, it is against EVE and what a sandbox is meant to be.



you are like a kid telling other kids how they should play in a sandbox... pretty foolish

No I am telling one kid, that you can play however you like, and that you can organise what you are complaining about.

I disagree

SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2013-09-12 15:04:55 UTC
Here is also a piece of text off the CCP website, maybe that will help you understand why it won't happen (although that doesn't mean you can not do it, that is the beauty of a sandbox)

"The setting is Science Fiction, whereas most current offerings are Fantasy based. EVE does not employ sharding* or instancing** to split content and resources between players. This means that all players can interact with each other if they choose to do so. It also means that if you are famous in EVE, you are known by the EVE community, not by the population of one game server."

So an off limit arena would not happen, but again as mentioned this does not stop you from creating a league or arena type play somewhere in the game.

As many have said before, the tools are there for you to do so.

I disagree

Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2013-09-12 15:07:13 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
now I understand, everybody keeps telling me here that all will love arenas and leagues so much that nobody will play anything else in the game anymore

and that is a bad thing because you need to have people who play stuff they don't like

those people here sure know what gaming is about Roll



Hey you still want that 1 v 1 or are you still a coward?
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#227 - 2013-09-13 17:04:33 UTC
Harry Forever, king of the trolls, dung-collector of the 4 realms, protector of nothing.

ヽ(⌒∇⌒)ノ へ(゜∇、°)へ (◕‿◕✿)

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#228 - 2013-09-15 06:23:36 UTC
William Walker wrote:
Harry Forever, king of the trolls, dung-collector of the 4 realms, protector of nothing.


William Walker, CFC member 6843
Navigation Boy
Edge Dancers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#229 - 2013-09-15 10:13:39 UTC
I'm not actually understanding the comparison to real world sports.

1: In the real world, you pay out of pocket so that you can be trained as a noob. Sometimes your parents or community will foot the bill as an investment in your future.

2: Eventually, as you get better, someone might see value in paying you to train and play, and pay for it for purely selfish reasons. You are now 'worth your keep', so to speak.

3: And eventually, if you get really really good, you make far more than a normal living, and someone pays for you to use equipment of extremely high quality. Everything is handled for you. All you have to do is play, but you are expected to perform at a very high level.

It's not different in Eve right now. All these steps exist in Eve on the live server.



Jureth22
State War Academy
Caldari State
#230 - 2013-09-15 10:36:27 UTC
+ 1
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#231 - 2013-09-15 10:39:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Closed arenas are just stupid. If you want an arena, get contro of a system and invite people to fight somewhere in that system, with YOU providing the security for it to go uninterrupted.

Any kind of AT-bubble in a seperate system is everything Eve does not need. You want fair fights? Then go and secure an area, and make some money lose for prizes. Needless to say there'd be immediately a BLOPS in your tournament area if your security sucks.



On second thought: Just go over to Singularity, there you can lose all you want :D People are testing their EFT-results out there oftenly anyways to confirm thoughts about tank/damage/application/mobility, for exactly the lack of consequences.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#232 - 2013-09-15 10:45:37 UTC
Introduce Duel Bubbles, only can hold people in the "Pocket" while duel is accepted everyone else can free warp in and out.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#233 - 2013-09-15 10:50:18 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Closed arenas are just stupid. If you want an arena, get contro of a system and invite people to fight somewhere in that system, with YOU providing the security for it to go uninterrupted.

Any kind of AT-bubble in a seperate system is everything Eve does not need. You want fair fights? Then go and secure an area, and make some money lose for prizes. Needless to say there'd be immediately a BLOPS in your tournament area if your security sucks.



On second thought: Just go over to Singularity, there you can lose all you want :D People are testing their EFT-results out there oftenly anyways to confirm thoughts about tank/damage/application/mobility, for exactly the lack of consequences.


I don't want to organize events I want to play in them, does tiger woods organize events? nope he's just playing

thanks for understanding, the client should take care of this
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#234 - 2013-09-15 11:00:52 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Closed arenas are just stupid. If you want an arena, get contro of a system and invite people to fight somewhere in that system, with YOU providing the security for it to go uninterrupted.

Any kind of AT-bubble in a seperate system is everything Eve does not need. You want fair fights? Then go and secure an area, and make some money lose for prizes. Needless to say there'd be immediately a BLOPS in your tournament area if your security sucks.



On second thought: Just go over to Singularity, there you can lose all you want :D People are testing their EFT-results out there oftenly anyways to confirm thoughts about tank/damage/application/mobility, for exactly the lack of consequences.


I don't want to organize events I want to play in them, does tiger woods organize events? nope he's just playing

thanks for understanding, the client should take care of this


I understand you pretty well. Go to Singularity, it's exactly what you want. Thanks for reading.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#235 - 2013-09-15 13:22:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Closed arenas are just stupid. If you want an arena, get contro of a system and invite people to fight somewhere in that system, with YOU providing the security for it to go uninterrupted.

Any kind of AT-bubble in a seperate system is everything Eve does not need. You want fair fights? Then go and secure an area, and make some money lose for prizes. Needless to say there'd be immediately a BLOPS in your tournament area if your security sucks.



On second thought: Just go over to Singularity, there you can lose all you want :D People are testing their EFT-results out there oftenly anyways to confirm thoughts about tank/damage/application/mobility, for exactly the lack of consequences.


I don't want to organize events I want to play in them, does tiger woods organize events? nope he's just playing

thanks for understanding, the client should take care of this


I understand you pretty well. Go to Singularity, it's exactly what you want. Thanks for reading.


singularity is only a test server, there are no leagues and no arenas there, people just test stuff there

there is no matchup option, understand what I want before you make silly comments... blocked.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2013-09-15 13:35:58 UTC
You just can not listen can you, a sandbox is not a game where everything like that is handed you, that is why WoW would be a lot better for you than EVE.

You are the exact meaning of those "want it now" children of todays age who should never play EVE.

I disagree

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#237 - 2013-09-15 13:49:20 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
You just can not listen can you, a sandbox is not a game where everything like that is handed you, that is why WoW would be a lot better for you than EVE.

You are the exact meaning of those "want it now" children of todays age who should never play EVE.


you don't play the game, so who should listen to you...
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2013-09-15 15:04:46 UTC
Roll

I disagree

Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#239 - 2013-09-15 17:41:37 UTC
every gamer out there doing PvP is demanding this, at the end it will bring a big amount of new players to the game, I'm sure a lot of them will have a better motiviation to move into the metagame while they can have some easy fights each day in the arenas

it would be win win for everybody... at the beginning of the game its just not motivating at all, this is holding back a lot of players who do not come back, the arenas would keep them until they can fully dive into the real deal, SoV fights and all the other stuff

that layer of gamplay is completely missing, thats why a lot of ealry subscribers are lost
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#240 - 2013-09-15 21:22:02 UTC
I think Harry does have a point, i dont see how an Arena could hurt Eve in any means, just give us one Single System between all 4 major tradehubs with some specified rules (Concordwise) and let them fight each other, ganker still gonna gank, SOV stillg onna claim and Pirates still gonna kill.

Nothing would change ecept for the good.