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Moving into C5 with Caldari Pilots (I'm Amarr) -- NEED ADVICE
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Goose99
#21 - 2011-11-11 01:08:30 UTC
Jenn Makanen wrote:
Drake. You can fairly simply get massive EHP passive tank, without a great deal of skills.

You won't be up to the class of the others, but It gets you into a similar style as the others. 2 weeks or so of training.

[Drake, Basic passive]
7x 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I (Scourge Heavy Missile)
2x Invulnerability Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Damage Control II
3x Ballistic Control System II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
2x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


I'm seeing 15 days or so for a base character, for a 70k ehp omni. 149dps which is far from good, but more skills like warhead upgrades will help there. More Battlecruiser will help too, by bumping resists. (The purger is just to taste. means it's less time for repair afterwards)

Maybe throw in some light shield drones, for RR.

Maybe 35 million or so.


The problem is he also lacks any missile skills. Training time for decent lvl hml + missile support, and bc, is far longer than just Caldari BS, at which point he can get either NM rolling, or laser Rokh while he trains cruise for flying Raven with his corp mates. Drake is hardly sufficient for c5 anyway.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#22 - 2011-11-11 01:31:40 UTC
Tora Oni wrote:
OMFG ! Shield tanking a fine Apoc Navy, which will die asap in a C5...... X

You can get 150k ehp on a shield Apoc Navy. You have to give up all your rigs and mid slots to pull it off, but it's actually not as bad as you'd expect...especially since you end up with a LOT of open lows to play with.

It's not a long-term solution, but we aren't talking long-term.

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Betid
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2011-11-11 19:55:02 UTC
Don't have eft in front of me, but if you have enough logi to rep T1 resists, then a Phantasm should do it. A shield harby is possible, but squishy with only 4 slots. The shield warfare link would be welcome, but will need t2 rigs and fac/dead fields.

Either will be fine PvP ships once you get the nightmare.

Also, you didn't say what the static was. C5 as well?
Eridanii
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-11-13 12:45:57 UTC
Does your Corp use logis for reps? If so, Shield Legion.

I was in the same spot in my corp, trying to run Wormhole C5 ops. I have maxed out medium laser skills. Use a Beam Shield Legion. Your shield buffer tank and resists are good enough to tank C5s with logis repping. Buffer lasts long enough for them to **** around for a few seconds, then lock you and rep you. I've used it a bunch. It leaves all the low slots open for Heat Sinks and Tracking Enhancers. My corp has had zero problems keeping me up in shield ops alongside all the bloody Tengus.

Mine was similar to this:

3x Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II (with PG implant if you don't have high enough fitting skills)

LSE II
Invuln II (You can swap this for an AB, you lose some resist but can make up for it with mitigation from speed)
Thermal Hardener II
EM Hardener II

6x Heavy Beam II

Rigs:
MACR for powergrid
2x MCDFE for shield buffer

You can shoot lasers out to 93k Optimal with a 97.5 locking distance. You do about 340 dps out there. Using Gleam, you do about 600 dps at 13k optimal. I had a similar setup with Pulse's but I found the damn C5 spawns are like 80-90k away sometimes and your overall damage over the course of the Op would be better if you were shooting non-stop instead of burning for distance half the time not shooting. You also never waste any dps like those missile guys do...
Roman Holiday
Monetary Inc
#25 - 2011-11-14 18:46:48 UTC
Thanks for all the great advice, I've been weighing several options. One of those options I'm leaning towards is selling my Amarr toon and purchasing a Caldari =D. Since I'm going to be using a SB quite often the missile skills will be nice.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2011-11-15 01:46:57 UTC
use a nightmare.

alternatively, several corps in Narwhals are recruiting ;)

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Aessaya
Independent treasure hunters
#27 - 2011-11-18 20:07:47 UTC
Being a long-time amarr player (i have other amarr characters besides this one, obviously) I find it very useful to be able to field both tanks and supplementary weapons.
So, don't sell your toon, just train, it'll be faster. You'll have most of the important skills anyway.

Suggestions are as many others suggested here: get a nightmare, this should be your ultimate goal. Meanwhile, if you can't fly/afford it, train skills for it and fly some other useful ships in fleet - just ask your corpmates what can you be useful in (noctis, prober covops, hacker ship, gas-sucker ship - there are many useful ones in wh space). While you're training for nightmare drop a few hunderd thousands of skillpoints into missiles and fly a noobdrake - suprisingly effective ship.

Ultimately, having a cross-trained char will mean that you aren't constrained to a certain combat style and can adapt fittings according to situations. My older amarr character can field most of the amarr and caldari subcapital ships and has skills for all weapons systems. There are a few ships in amarr ship line that benefit from either missile or shield skills, or even both. Being amarr is more than just flying golden hulls and firing laz0rs, you know Pirate

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dream3874
Tears of Redemption
#28 - 2011-11-19 15:10:47 UTC
Yes it would be a mistake to sell your toon. Best bet liek others have posted are to get a Nightmare or the sheild legion and just start training Caldari from there. Amarr/Caldari is a good compliment to have anyway.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#29 - 2011-11-22 08:55:43 UTC
Get your corpmates to man up and train Minnie or Amarr. No effort on your part and you'll be doing them a favour.

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