EVE General Discussion

You got very lucky.

You can go weeks without a DG spawn (or in my case the whole damn year) and 9 out of 10 times you do get a spawn you end up with tags and ammo. On the rare event something else drops chances are its going to be a something near useless.

In nearly 8 years I have had two officer spawns and one of them dropped tags and ammo.

Even if high sec industry was nerfed to half the efficiency of null I doubt that you would suddenly see a drove of people heading for 0.0. The same way that moving lvl 5 missions didn't make the people ran them move to lowsec. They just suck up the hurt and move on.

Null industry needs a buff to the point that null alliances don't treat industrial players like leppers. I've seen a couple alliances where you could awox an alliance member or a renter in a mining barge and say "oops my overview" and that was the end of it. No repayment, no adverse actions taken against the awoxers who openly bragged on coms that they were going to "toughen" the carebears up. So I don't believe that nerfing highsec without a simultanious re-tooling of null industry will work. Null industry needs to be indespensible to an alliance's operation before it becomes acceptable to be a pure industrial player in 0.0.

I was part of a low-sec corporation many years ago that did the split personality of half industry half pvp. PVP players would lock down dead end systems, bears came out in hulks and mined the belts out. If hostiles/neutrals came into system they either died at the gate or we slowed them down so the miners could get safe. We had a hangar full of replacement ships already fit so soon as we died, a director handed one out. The miners made money, the pvp pilots got kills and free ships and neither side talked bad about the other side's play style aside from friendly banter. Its the only corp I have ever been in that worked that way, but it proved, to me atleast, that the concept can work.

lots of people rent sov. as long as you pay the bills this is very simple (the goon vale of the silent thing was a rental offer)
also lots of null is owned by npc pirate factions rather than players and u can dock in the pirate staions even if you have terrible standings with the npc's concerned. Living in npc null is actually very easy and lots of people do this.
If you want to own sov of your own with a small group of players this too is possible if u find a remote place that no one really cares about. This is eve though so at some point someone with more guns will turn up and take it away from you.
Lastly there is proviblock i don't know much about those guys but i think they welcome pretty much everyone willing to follow their local rules (they are NRDS rather than NBSI like most of the rest of null).

So... space is too easy to take

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but then space is too hard to take?

Do you read what you type before you post? Or is this just another case of "Grr goons!"?

I do read it yes.

If you consider imperial China from 1600 BC to when it fell in 1912, its history is littered with examples of where it became so large and difficult to manage that it repeatedly had Emperors toppled by generals and popular uprisings that occurred within its own territories, but due to the size it failed to notice the signs.

If by some magical means (like an electronic email) Emperors had been forewarned about the groups before they became too powerful to crush, those groups would have been mercilessly crushed.

The same applies to large alliances, they're the emperors, if a group goes out to null and tries to attack an old pos or a deploy a TCU or do anything that generates an email to the sovereign alliance, the alliance is immediately informed and of course those people are crushed with overwhelming force.

Thus it is both too easy to take and keep space (alliances) and too hard to take and keep space (emerging alliances).

This is a very bad system for emergent game-play and a perfect system for maintaining the status quo when it comes to alliances in EvE Online.

Let's put this in simpler terms.

You have Group X, and Group Y.

Group X is much less well organized and experienced than Group Y, and is a fraction of the size of Group Y.

In what way does it make any sense for Group X to be able to defeat Group Y on a consistent basis, let alone take and hold territory from them?

More nonsense from you today.

So you're saying that the moment a group of people in say Guangdong province overthrew the local warlord and took possession of it, someone in Guangdong lit a torch and it was visible all the way in Shaanxi where the Emperor was based.

No. It didn't' happen like that. That would be equivalent to someone in Cali seeing a lit Torch from Washington. That's nonsense.

As for your last comment... its not emergent. Emergent would be new entities being able to EMERGE without being instantly crushed by existing entities.

then divide however much money you made by the number of alts you left on the gates plus the ratter

you consistantly fail to comprehend the difference between raw numbers of what you can make under perfect conditions and actual income

also only a certain number of people can rat

also if nullsec was so great and safe there'd be more people around

Can't divide by zero I'm afraid. I watch local. I'm not particularly risk averse anyway. I don't care, I give them a "gf" regardless of whether it was one or 20 and get a new ship.

It used to be even worse. SOV went to whoever had the most towers in system.