Market Discussions

That's all Eve needs, another lying scum bag scammer

Ccp always used to be bob and goons and kept the o.o politics going. But than t20 came around and made a woopsy so bob had to go... now only goons are left

The economy will never be totally player controlled because a player controlled currency will never work.

A player currency will never work because players can't be trusted.

Players can't be trusted because players can default on loans, or other future contractual commitments, with impunity.

Players can't be forced to honor contracts, because they can always quit the game. Non-one can be forced to play a game.



Enforceable contracts are a cornerstone of a free-market economy.

Is this what passes for objective commentary in the left/right sheep pens these days?

Your defense for your rant is attempting to redefine objective.

This passes for intelligence in your circles no doubt.

Accused? I have proof. Get back in the shallow end, it's safer.

If you want what the OP is trying to post scribe everything is negotiable including word and number definitions and even if CCP removed ISK from game you could still claim that they had had their hand in it and it was still not player driven. I could trade a bajillion rifters and define what a rifter is as well as what a bajillion is. In a universe without trust, how far would that go? What makes trust? sticking to agreements and you have to have agreements before you can build trust.

All economies rapidly evolve to more convenient forms of wealth through tradeable symbols that have agreed upon values. If they are not agreed upon by at least three parties they have no worth other than to each other. Once you have more than two parties and people start agreeing and forming a social consensus that consensus becomes an authority also.

but kooky libertarians and their sorts reserve the right to not be part of the consensus, to not agree so that the rest of us can have nothing of value, no trust, no order, anarchy.

Take a look at his avatar and appreciate the humor in those words...


I'm not sure but I think " looking ignorant" might be an improvement.. not much a threat



... also.. he was taunting you I believe....by purposely muddling them all up in a pretty pile

The Ammatars are descendants of Minmatars that collaborated with the Amarrians during the latter occupation of the Minmatar worlds. When the Amarrians were thrown out during the Minmatar Rebellion their collaborators fled with them. The Amarrians helped their Minmatar allies to settle in a few systems not far from the newly formed Minmatar Republic. The Ammatars regard themselves as the true rulers of the Minmatars, mainly based around the fact that a fair proportion of the old Minmatar aristocracy, or tribal leaders, were among them. In this vein they named their domain San Matar, meaning ‘true home’.

The term Ammatar was first used by the Gallenteans to distinguish between the two groups. Out of convenience even the Ammatars themselves started using it, stating that, with the help of the Amarrians, they’ve progressed beyond the old social structure of the Minmatar tribes. Indeed, the Ammatars have very deliberately abolished many age-old traditions of the Minmatar tribal society and embraced some Amarrian ones instead.

The Ammatar domain, San Matar, is semi-autonomous. The Ammatar rulers have full domestic control, but their foreign policies must have the consent of the Amarrians and their military forces are, nominally, under the authority of the Amarrians. The relationship of the two has been remarkably smooth in the past, with no serious quarrels.

The San Matar government is structured the same way as any other province of the Amarr Empire, with a governor at the head and district officials beneath him prescribing over the various departments of state. These heads of state are always Ammatar, although the governor himself traditionally is an Amarrian, and acts as the supreme representative of the Amarr Empire. As is to be expected not all Ammatars are eager for constant warfare with the Minmatar Republic. Those who are the most belligerent of them often feel that the Ammatar state is doing too little so they have formed a group of their own to fight the Minmatars. In a sense this group is a direct response to the independent rebel groups the Minmatar have and the guerilla tactics employed by either side are similar.

Since its inauguration San Matar has been in a constant struggle with the Minmatar Republic. Both states have expanded considerably in the last decades and now border on each other in numerous places. The Republic, backed by the Gallente Federation, had the upper hand for a while, forcing the Amarr Empire to repeatedly come to the aid of their allies, but in recent years the tables have been turning and the Ammatar have managed to set up military installations and space stations right under the Republic’s nose

Broad speculation existed for many years on where the Ammatar got the support for these conquests, as the Amarr traditionally were only willing to aid the Ammatars when the latter were under direct threat. Though nothing has been conclusively proven, it is widely whispered that for decades the Caldari provided clandestine support to the Ammatar in exchange for the promise of mineral rights to the rich territories being battled over. These allegations were a frequent diplomatic sticking point between the Caldari and the Minmatar, and the mere mention of them rankles both sides to this day.


Tell me again who is the slave

So much for never conclusively proven.