EVE General Discussion

If you just want to have fun, I know most small corps go to NPC regions like Syndicate. You aren't invading sov territory, and while you can't get sov, you can have a ton of fun PvP'ing and finding "fair" fights about the same size as your own gang.

I can imagine it easily: it will destroy present null-sec alliances when people escape them for new regions. Result - more solo gameplay, shrinking subscriptions, monetary losses for CCP.

So it's like constantly being in a sovgrid, with really terrible and boring ops.

N3 would die, and Lyris Nairn would break the record for convoy fleets.

I remember the days of escort fleets to take alliance charons down the pipe from Perrigen Falls, loaded with the now-nerfed drone poop. The people who got really rich were the people with carriers who hauled it down to empire themselves instead taking the alliance pay outs for it.
Even if Jump Freighters were nuked from existance null industry would not flourish for many of the reasons already stated. Nerfing High sec would be counter productive, its been the way its been for so long all that would happen is rioting on the forums and emergency CSM/CCP meetings. Buffing Null Outposts/POS would be a much better solution. Maybe double the outpost manufacture slots? Allow the station manager to set the hourly price, even to 0 if they felt like it? Make sov increase the efficiency of POS labs/refineries/manufacture modules?
An incentive has to be made to make people WANT to use null systems. Taking away one kid's chocolate bar because another kid only had one M&M is going to make for a lot of upset babies.

I'll have to do a vid to dispel some of these myths:

1. You make more money in high sec - I did 2 anoms (Blood Sanctum and Forlorn Hub) the other day and made 80 million in bounties. I got a Dark Blood BS in one spawn and looted a armor hardner worth 80 million. That's 160 million and it took 60 minutes. I was in a Megathron I bought from one of the Goon stations in PB (ken therm damage vs bloods) with around 400 dps because I had to ad hoc fit it with stuff I could buy from a very restricted market.

2. Null sec is crowded - I have travelled extensively in Null recently and quite literally, almost every system is deserted apart from a few hub systems. You might see 1 or 2 people jumping 50 jumps other then in the hubs which usually have around 2 - 20.

3. Ratting and doing anoms / plexes are dangerous because npcs scram. - you can leave a covert alt on the gates, no one can hot drop you or probe you down and warp straight to you. I ran one of the easiest (Blood Raider Base) and got 20 million and Blood Infrared L, Dark Blood Crystal Tag, Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener and a Talisman Alpha in 30 minutes. As for scramming frigs, they're so easy to kill lol if you got scrammed by one or two and couldn't kill them before you were probed down inside a complex you shouldn't be doing complexes. I have NEVER been scrammed, nor even webbed by belt rats or non-gated anom rats. If it happens its really rare although most die before they even get to me.


Also remember that while Anomalies are not as unlimited as missions there are way less people, they are numerous enough to continue to keep doing them, they can be manipulated with upgrades, you can jump to the next system or two and run more.

Edit: also it should be noted that every time you run most anoms you have the chance to get a faction battleship spawn, these used to be very rare in belts. You also have the chance to loot A, B, C and X type mods which can sell from 10's of millions to billions. In comparison, in missions you're lucky to get a 20 million isk implant every 16 missions.

That's nothing compared to what you usually get in combat sites.

Oh I forgot this was my fit for the anoms.

7 425mm rails (anti-matter cause they didn't have any spike or null)

3 Tracking Computer II's with Optimal Scripts
1 Heavy Cap Booster II

4 Magnetic Stabs
1 Large Armor Repairer II
1 Dark Blood EM Membrane
2 Tracking Enhancer II's

3 Large EM Pumps

Terribad fit, I didn't even need to use the repper at all. NPC's spawns in one single spot so you can sit there and snipe them before they get into range. Even with only glancings, I managed to do the sites without warping out despite the shite fit.

Combat site I used a passive shield Proteus with hammers which is also aweful for bloods.

Funny thing, the highsec'ers say the same thing about the nulsec'ers.

Kinda have to step away from the 'who's the crybaby' and look at the mechanics at play as a whole. On one hand, you have people more or less stuck in highsec/lowsec and can't access the untapped resources in nulsec.

Raw cash in nulsec isn't limited, although the number of Sanctums/etc to do so is. Pirate Detection Arrays or whatever they're called pretty much ensure there are sites to run. Maybe not enough sites for an entire alliance to pile into one system, but they're always there. You can get anywhere from 20+M isk easy per solo pass, and it just gets quicker with friends.


However, something needs to be done about the legacy 'engine' of highsec where industrial activity is wholly outsourced (besides capital ship production and some reactions). That's a CCP issue to make 'outsourcing' industrial operations to highsec more expensive than having it dominantly being done on-site.

It goes beyond jump fuel costs. It's highsec pos's that exploit the standings mechanic. It's the bad corporation management console that stop R&M corps from becoming R&M megacorps that can rival pvp corps in size and influence. It's ease of access between highsec and nulsec. It's nonexistant defense infrastructure for sovspace that make PVP'ers feel like they have to 'babysit' an industrial backbone.

Now do anoms for a month. 80-160 mil an hour in an underpowered mega is not the norm.

Yea...


I havent had a single faction spawn this year from anoms. You will not be earning 160 mil an hour with a single rail fit mega. As for missions, you must be doing them badly as mission NPCs are easier to kill and unlike anoms you can ignore most of the chaff. You can earn just as much per tick in bounties easily.

As your own numbers show, in 30 minutes you got 37 mil. Thats only 18 mil a tick and that is easy to get from level 4 missions. When we add on LP and mission rewards its rather easy to see that missions and anoms are not all that different in rewards.

Pretty much this. Anyone who tells me I can earn more in anoms, must be pretty bad at missions.