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That sentry thing.

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Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2013-09-14 23:16:50 UTC
Let's deal in facts: sentries are not good for watchability and it hurt both the ATXI and SCL4. You guys have a great tool to fix it and it's the same one you used to nerf the Maulus Age: point values.

Let's admit that the Vexor is better than every other cruiser, let's admit the Ishtar is better than every other HAC, and for future tourney's let's make them more points. Ishtars 13 or 14. Vexors 9. Currently the normal Domi is better than the faction version but costs less. That's crazygonuts. For SCL5 and future tourneys overall, let's reflect the fact that this isn't open world but instead a closed arena so "the blob of drones" is pretty damn effective and help control the meta with point tweaking.



Also bring back Zor's
Ezekiel Jackson
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-09-14 23:33:48 UTC
good call fc
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#3 - 2013-09-14 23:44:42 UTC
>Also bring back Zor's

Yes I want to go fast as well
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2013-09-15 01:31:44 UTC
or if you want to **** with the game at large, add a penalty to stacked omnis
Dernarius Starariur
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-15 12:58:33 UTC
To be slightly more surgical about it, do the same thing to omnis that has been done with ASBs - one per ship.
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#6 - 2013-09-16 11:24:42 UTC
Personally I'd rather see a change to the drone assist mechanics or add an anti-drone ewar. Something that disrupts their control range/tracking perhaps. That way you'd keep the same rock paper scissors that you can have with other fleet comps.
Fafer
Tr0pa de elite.
#7 - 2013-09-16 12:32:53 UTC
There is always something that is better then other things. As everything comes in cycles, now its drones again, as they once were, tomorrow something else. Also, drones needed some love after years of hatred, so enjoy while you can. :)
VOC did :)

I would also say there are anti drone compositions, and/or ways to deal with them, its just you are not utilizing it, so rock-paper-scissors are present.



Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2013-09-16 15:03:05 UTC
An anti-drone ewar would do it yeah.

And yeah, there's anti-drone mechanics like sig tanks and oversized ABs. And they'll even work against someone like TEST, but I'm pretty sure beating TEST does not a proof make.
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2013-09-16 16:45:35 UTC
targeted mod that decreases drone control range. bam, done.
Anaphylacti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-09-16 21:51:54 UTC
Faife wrote:
targeted mod that decreases drone control range. bam, done.


Or just have tracking disruptors affect sentry drones...
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2013-09-17 15:21:50 UTC
Or how about instead of all this crap that doesnt do anything to the mass sentry meta that helped win us the tournament and just adds random complexity, you just nerf drone assignment into oblivion?

Tracking sentries are annoying to deal with but are definitely not uncounterable, the real power of the sentry-centric (heh) teams is their basic immunity to all disruption based EW, as well as of course the instant target switching. What's the point of bringing damps or jams when the other guy can bring 38 sentry drones spread out on 9 different ships with mega-lock range frigates in support? There's no way you can EW down all of them, and even if you could all it takes is one missed cycle and you lose the fragile EW ships to sentry alpha.

Sentry assign on TQ is fairly broken too, and in my opinion a broken mechanic. Carriers are balanced around having big tanks and rep power in tradeoff for the difficulty of their use as anti-subcap weapons. Sentry assign no longer limits a ship around its targeting stats, which breaks this philosophy. Not to mention the drone assign fleets are exceedingly boring to play in and dont encourage interactive gameplay, something I think we all can agree is a good thing.
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#12 - 2013-09-19 20:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Arch Stanton's Neighbour
or alternatively they could nerf drone assignment by removing ewar from the game