Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think we are in agreement no drones more fire power!!!!!!!
also maybe the widow can have rail atts instead of missles not unless you give it uber missle velocity
some times there isnt enough time till the missles hit!

As both you and Luscius Uta mention, this is directly related to the cloak itself still reducing the scan res and velocity of the various black ops ships. Lucius suggested a reduction based on skill level so that there was still a point to having shiny cloaks on black ops, but I think those should really be relegated to ships like capitals and whatnot where it makes sense to drop a couple billion for a slight increase in scan res and the myriad of other penalties that a cloak creates.

I still believe the -100% to scanres and velocity penalties is needed.

Besides, I have never seen anything shinier than a DG/CN cloak on a black ops before.

The widow needs more scanres

I'd disagree with your first point, in that the Amarr bonus is very significant. You argue that Caldari can turn off support logi, and although chance based, this is true. A neut ship, such as the bhaalgorn and the new armageddon serve much the same purpose except that it's not a chance based effect. Additionally, the power to turn active hardeners off on an enemy ship can make logi ineffective even if they do have capacitor remaining. This is extremely relevant when fighting capitals such as triage carriers.

I would be fine with the TD bonus in addition to the neut bonus, however that would make the blops as suggested less homogenized (and in my opinion, less balanced). The range bonus itself is also not required as most cases you would land on field in very close proximity to your target due to cyno, as well as a range bonus would be in direct conflict with the bhaalgorn in it's current form.

As for your second point, I couldn't have said it better nor more succinct:



I completely agree.

Black Ops are cloaky Battleships. They should not have the same roles thant the Recons.
To ECM there is the Falcon, to web there is the Rapier, etc...

Black Ops mission is to jump in a system behind the battlefront, destroy something and jump back before being catch.

Instead of making a bridge like the Titan, they should be able make a fleet jump where all the covert ops within 5000m(or anchored on him) would jump with him.

Dear Sir,

I find your remarks regarding BO Battleships lame. According to what I saw on your killboard you haven't even tried using BO BS in combat. All those above mentioned in kind of irrelevant.

Look here:
Black Ops battleships are meant to be a snaky bastards created for catching capitals with pants down under safety of cynojammers etc. They fulfill their role very well. God damn they even kill a motherships (at least I managed to catch and kill it with my BO gang). Those ships performance is outstanding when it comes to brawling. Sins for example are most BO for having good amount of slots. There's variety of fits that ship can use. Redeemer has a clear role of high dps turret platform that is meant to jump in, melt any target it locks and get out. Panther is amazing ship to fly coz of it's bonuses. Shield fitted Panther is amazing ship, combination of speed and DPS on it is amazing. It is very nice this for bumping 2x remote repping carriers from each other for example, has nice utility highs for fitting 2x heavy neuts. Widow is more used in smaller BO gangs, only downside of that ship is heavy requirement of BO 5, with that skill ship jams pretty much everything and also can provide around 900 DPS. After introduction of MJDs and BO jump range buff they became even better. Those ships do not require any kind of changes. If you don't see blob of those ships that doesn't mean ship is broken.
So once again those ships are not meant for blob warfare, they do are not lame, they really do their job well.
As for bridging BO - You never jump bridging BO on target unless u want to lose it. Bridging BO has specific fit and requires different style of piloting.

If you really want to see strength of Black Ops Bbattleships feel free to contact me, I will provide you numerous examples of ganks, small and medium gang engagements (over 30 man in hostile gang) with explanations, killmails and some video footage.

Essentially nothing changes, can't cloak while locked anyway. You could be a little more choosy with the attack though.

Don't you mean no piloting whatsoever. Right mouse click open bridge is not piloting. I don't know anyone that doesn't use an alt for the bridging blops.

Perhaps that is the proper balance, that a bridging fit means it can't do anything else. But I don't think that fit needs to be that useless.

Some success in combat is not the same as the OP begin wrong. For example with the fits you used, which bonuses were you taking advantage of?

I agree that these ships can be used in small gangs, but there is still much room for improvement. A BO ship would not be my first choice of PVP ships - not in its current state.

I'm not sure if I agree with your intellegence statement of bomber pilots. Stealth bombers fleets require a relatively high degree of practice and coordination that isn't normally found in other types of fleets. New pilots have to be trained on how to fly in a fleet AND how to fly a stealth bomber.

I'm sorry to hear that the bomber pilots in your fleets are making those kinds of mistakes. if you don't have the time to train them, maybe have them join Bombers Bar so they can learn the basics.

For a support type role, nothing really beats having those bonuses - which is why they should go on the bridging class of ship imho. Additionally, it's either an all or nothing approach the way I view it as the Widow is currently the odd one out in terms of the ship hulls having an ECM bonus whereas the redeemer is already used with neuts in the highs. A panther would benefit from having long range webs to augment it's artillery platform, and a speed bonused long scram sin would be an superb combo for countering ships like the machariel.

The more creative approach I would like to see CCP take is in the design and creation of the entirely new line of black ops - I only have half cooked ideas in that regard and don't want to even try to think of anything more specific, because CCP literally has free reign to create whatever they deem fit with no limitation or precedent set beyond the creation of the Bastion module for marauders which is a pretty damn cool feature.

So really, homogenization on the current line of black ops would add a lot of utility, whereas the creative, new, exciting roles for black ops should be reserved for the yet to be created lineup.