Crime & Punishment

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Whoa, slow down there, tiger. No need to act like you're the only one who's ever been outside of 1.0, bro. I've done all of your adorable 0.0 blob fancy-dancy magic prancy crap too, and believe me, those were the times of my EVE career I'm least proud of. X-up in that intel channel, faceroll through fifteen gates, and then follow the monotone of the FC as he calls out the enemy worker bees. That's the definition of manly combat, right?

This character exists purely for empire pvp. I have others, but they don't get even a quarter of the attention. Half of my kills come from legit mercenary work, you know, the type where someone actually pays you to make someone else's life miserable, instead of expecting you to pay for the privilege of fighting for someone else's goals; the other half comes from killing the empire mission Tengu alts of ninnies like yourself, as well as their untanked 0.0 swag haulers on autopilot. While you grind sanctums and die like a lemming, at ease because you're surrounded by other mindless drones, I have to fight 95% of my fights outnumbered and outgunned, while accounting for enemy alt scouts, logistics, and boosters. And I'm obligated to win, because not maintaining a certain level of efficiency means my wallet will be in the red, unless I take the easy way out and bear it up like the bluebear that you are. And you know what? It's challenging. And I like it.

All you null jockeys are the same; always huffing and puffing about how hardcore 0.0 gameplay is, and how rugged it makes you. And I guess it works on the players who have never stepped foot in there. But I've lived in it since the game came out, until 2009 (when Apocrypha went live, I removed all of my characters from null). Your bullshit won't work on me.

Now, I'm by no means saying that you're not entitled to your own play style. This is a "sand box," and you can do whatever the hell you want to do. However, don't expect your achievements to be respected if you swing them around like an e-peen flail. All of that hype will only lead to ridicule. If you want to be taken seriously, you should first and foremost acknowledge that maybe you don't have the end-game figured out all by yourself.

Marry me.

Seriously, highsec wars are FUN. And often hilarious.

Tried the HS War dec stuff before. We'd spend a few weeks scouting and trying to pick out WTs that would fight. We wanted the GFs and to flex a bit of the metagame. Generally, what we got were 10+ neutral reps, docking games, or just docking in general. The other half of the time it was the corp/alliance evaporated under the pressure of a dec. There wasn't much to tactics etc.

At least in low sec when we go out to get a fight, we can find it, and contrary to popular belief a lot of GFs in low sec happen on planets, in plex/beacon sites, on asteroid belts.. where ever the initial tackle occurs.

Tactics and scouting and all that terrain preparation can work well in LS though as well... if you manage scouts you won't be caught be a random 50man gang. Just your scout and your reps risk a punch in the face and don't enjoy their 'neutral' status cause our only punishment is a sec hit and we wear those with pride.

To each their own though. I have found no joy in HS 'pvp' except the occasional thrasher gang curb stomping a hulk in between an Op or during a chill out session.

Can we form Voltron? If you're ever sick of your current situation, know that you have a seat reserved for you forever in The Skunkworks.

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Destiny Corrupted - I agree with you 100% much like my skunkworks brethren

Much like Destiny Corrupted I have had toons in every pvp aspect of eve, from low sec pirating, low sec anti pirating, high sec mercs, high sec griefers, 0.0 blobs, 0.0 small gangs, and even lived 6 month in a worm hole. I had great fun in all those aspects of pvp but it was because of the people I flew with and their attitudes toward the game, sadly most people attitudes in null are **** poor. I don’t think any pvp is better than any other, though I have had close fights I remember every detail over, and i have had one sided fights I would rather forget, being the winner or loser, either way, i would prefer there be more pvp in eve as a whole.

PS: null sec bears need to lay off the intel channels, I blopsed into a system once and no one even reliesed I was there because their spies up the pipe never saw me pass trough one of the entrances.

Dutarro, ******* excellent post.

There's a couple of reasons why non-PvPers get kicked around, and while I'm sure I'll miss some, I'll list a couple of the important ones in no particular order.

1) Assuming you're in an organization I dislike, the negative things I do to you have reverberations on your organization. I'm not even talking about the loss of potential minerals or ships built or whatever. One of the major obstacles any nation faces when at war is the outcry from its own people. Corps and alliances work the same way. Your whining demoralizes my enemy. If you think this is a minor thing, allow me to correct you. The only resource that really matters in this game (barring supercaps) is the will to fight. A group willing to put in enough effort to continue to fight can bring **** down in swarms of Rifters. All the toys in the world are just nice extra boosts compared to skill and morale. You are never going to bleed someone of so much isk that they can't fit some rifters. All it takes is skipping McDonalds at lunch and they're in enough isk for at least a double handful of BCs.

2) You're effecting the game in some way I don't like. Be it our secondary reason for griefing incursion bears or Hulkageddon targetted at (among other things) bots or even a chance to make the market manipulator inflating the prices in our favourite market hub feel bad. Indies effect the whole game. Not negatively in all instances, but in some cases. And in those cases let me assure you that if someone got mad enough to trace who it was that did the thing that hurt their wallet or aided the enemies wallet, then your days are numbered. I even occasionally get contacted by members of someone's own organization to mess them up with some plausible deniability when they're screwing up markets or whatever.

3) When we say the tears are delicious, that's not just something we made up. It's hilarious to hear some of the pubbies gush hate all over the keyboard. They'll threaten your death or call you a *** or try to tell you how they're super rich in real life and are playing from a yacht in the south pacific. The **** is seriously funny. I honestly keep a collection.

4) Just as I said that breaking an enemies morale is of the utmost importance, so is keeping up your own morale. PvP organizations with nothing to do tend to eat themselves. In fact, so do most organizations. But PvPers have the option of going to find something to shoot, no matter how arbitrary or one-sided the engagement is. The saying goes that even little skulls make the skull throne bigger, and in order to not calcify into non-existance, pvpers just plain old need something to do. We do chase the mythical :goodfight:, but the really good ones are kinda few and far between. To fill in those gaps, we need pretty much anything. Even your mining Caracal. Our morale has to eat.

Is it unfair? Often, yes. Can I see how it would be frustrating for you, especially as someone who has not only a lack of skill, but also a complete lack of desire? Yup. But there are reasons that it has to be this way. I'm going to point especially to number 4, but they all stand, and I'm sure we could come up with more besides.

You will recall that you started the epeen waving when you decided I knew nothing outside blob warfare and therefore had no right to an opinion. I am not restricted to any one play style, I was highlighting that you knew nothing about me but started slandering about me only blobbing simply due to my current game.
Just try to remember you know NOTHING about another player they dont want you to know. Dont go blowing your spout simply because someone doesnt agree with you, it is the sign of a simple mind. Now we can agree to disagree.

Don't get provoked so easily. Simple-mindedness is essentially the Internet's gasoline. It's a safe assumption that 100% of the posts on this forum are trolls, even if they're on topic. In fact, thinking this way is the only thing that allows me to look myself in the eyes in the mirror as I'm washing the blood off of my hands after stabbing a bunch of people with my razor-sharp wit.

Would things really be interesting if we all began our posts with "my esteemed colleague," and meant it?