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Why small corps can't access null sec ?

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BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#41 - 2013-09-14 03:09:48 UTC
Big nullsec alliances do accept small corporations. YOU need to start being a diplomat and open conversations with them to get there.

So to answer your question as to why small corporations can't hold null sec space on their own is simple. Not enough pilots/ships/skills to hold it. You have to earn the right to hold a system or pay rent usually.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#42 - 2013-09-14 03:21:30 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Oh I found the rental prices....

http://themittani.com/features/rental-empires-eve

This is what the Goons are renting space for so if you can afford the prices then well you can be in null sec with a small alliance.

Though I don't know how sure I would be renting from certain people...


Thank you very very much :)


You need to have a believable ability to make isk in order to rent. ie I wouldn't suggest attempting to rent unless you have 2 or 3 months rent in liquid assets, and I wouldn't go rent without a plan on making the rent money+++ and then some.
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2013-09-14 03:25:25 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Oh I found the rental prices....

http://themittani.com/features/rental-empires-eve

This is what the Goons are renting space for so if you can afford the prices then well you can be in null sec with a small alliance.

Though I don't know how sure I would be renting from certain people...


Thank you very very much :)

You need to have a believable ability to make isk in order to rent. ie I wouldn't suggest attempting to rent unless you have 2 or 3 months rent in liquid assets, and I wouldn't go rent without a plan on making the rent money+++ and then some.

If the system allows for, say, mining, you can very quickly get up to speed.

However, there are some start-up costs, so it's important to do your homework before signing on the dotted line, so to speak.

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#44 - 2013-09-14 03:36:32 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:

So to answer your question as to why small corporations can't hold null sec space on their own is simple.



Read my question again please...
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#45 - 2013-09-14 03:39:47 UTC
Tauranon wrote:


You need to have a believable ability to make isk in order to rent. ie I wouldn't suggest attempting to rent unless you have 2 or 3 months rent in liquid assets, and I wouldn't go rent without a plan on making the rent money+++ and then some.



You think i am so stupid ? I know all that staff...
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#46 - 2013-09-14 03:41:18 UTC
Alavaria wrote:


If the system allows for, say, mining, you can very quickly get up to speed.

However, there are some start-up costs, so it's important to do your homework before signing on the dotted line, so to speak.


I already did my homework.
I play this game for so many years for god sakes !!!
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#47 - 2013-09-14 03:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: BoSau Hotim
Yngwiedis wrote:
Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.



I did read your questions, and answered them. But you seem to be rudely blasting many people who are helping you - People who are being quite kind for the forums - so why did you ask the question if you didn't want the discussion?

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#48 - 2013-09-14 03:50:04 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.



I did read your questions, and answered them. But you seem to be rudely blasting many people who are helping you - People who are being quite kind for the forums - so why did you ask the question if you didn't want the discussion?



My question was about why small corps can't access null sec.
Why alliances are not accepting small corps as their members.
I am not asking about why a small corp can't conquer and hold a null sec system.
Thats why i told you to read my question again.
Also why i am rudely blastin people ?
I also thank some of them. You think i am not polite ?
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2013-09-14 03:53:08 UTC
Probably another wah nullsec is blobs only troll.

There's always people asking these

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#50 - 2013-09-14 03:54:23 UTC
Who is the troll here anyway ?
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#51 - 2013-09-14 03:56:05 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.



I did read your questions, and answered them. But you seem to be rudely blasting many people who are helping you - People who are being quite kind for the forums - so why did you ask the question if you didn't want the discussion?



My question was about why small corps can't access null sec.
Why alliances are not accepting small corps as their members.
I am not asking about why a small corp can't conquer and hold a null sec system.
Thats why i told you to read my question again.
Also why i am rudely blastin people ?

I also thank some of them. You think i am not polite ?



I told you small corps can access null sec, you usually need to be in an alliance to stay and you need to be a diplomat with those alliances to get in. Alliances do accept small corporations. You need to find them though.


yes, I think you were rude to me, Alavaria, and Tauranon since you asked.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-09-14 03:58:05 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
On a more serious note: a larger entity would rather have a couple of guys dissolve into the larger structure (and apply to existing corps) to keep a strong sense of unity and direction. A large alliance with lots of small corps that each operate 'on their own island' is less attractive then a formidable unified force which can take, and hold, strategical locations.



I agree with that.
But why a corp with.. lets say... 200 members, can take and hold a system and 10 corps with 200 members in total can't ?


It takes a lot of effort if you want to claim and hold sov space. People will be out to take what you have.

You keep what you kill.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#53 - 2013-09-14 03:59:42 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:



I told you small corps can access null sec, you usually need to be in an alliance to stay and you need to be a diplomat with those alliances to get in. Alliances do accept small corporations. You need to find them though.


yes, I think you were rude to me, Alavaria, and Tauranon since you asked.



Most alliances with access to null sec systems don't accept small corps.
Maybe i have to try find them harder.

Sorry if i make you think i am rude.
English is not my native language and i am struggling to understand everything you people write.
I don't want to be rude anyway.

Also i really don't understand most of the posts of Alavaria :(
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-09-14 04:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
Andracin wrote:
[Null sec populations tend to be very centered around systems with stations. I can get more action almost instantly living in low sec without the annoyance of being dragged 100 km off gates or having to bounce planets to avoid it. Null bears also are generally skiddish about pvp unless they have the mongol horde at their back so even when you can get fights you have to work at getting them to isolate one or two that you can shoot.



QFT. Nullbears are generally pretty skittish, but are also highly territorial. Like all pvpers, they subscribe to the mantra: "If it was a fair fight, you f*cked up."

You don't go into nullsec without the expectation of drag bubbles, patrol/response fleets, and a feeling that you are not welcome. You also don't get to 'hold space' unless you can compete with capital ship retribution for not paying homage. Paying homage AND submitting to forced conscription more often than not. There is no corporate independence. You are told what systems you can operate in, which planets you can operate with (if any), what moons you can set up by (if at all), where you mine, where you rat. the works.

Nullsec is mostly unlived space for that reason, and stays unlived space for the same reason. There's too much infrastructure being blown up or re-purposed for any 'real' development to take place.

A lot of industrial players are right to believe in the value of the resources, but only a minute fraction of such infrastructure-minded players constitute the industrial backbone of what are otherwise massive military organizations. For every hundred or so, you may have one player with a squadron of alt-accounts handling POS management, etc. When it comes to industry, there is no room for trusting more than the one or two people you HAVE you trust, and those are usually corporate CEO's or their close friends.

Highsec is much less hassle, and I'm enjoying my retirement.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-09-14 04:03:58 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.


NPC Null Security space. Stations and all the benefits of Null Security space without the sov politics.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#56 - 2013-09-14 04:04:42 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:



I told you small corps can access null sec, you usually need to be in an alliance to stay and you need to be a diplomat with those alliances to get in. Alliances do accept small corporations. You need to find them though.


yes, I think you were rude to me, Alavaria, and Tauranon since you asked.



Most alliances with access to null sec systems don't accept small corps.
Maybe i have to try find them harder.

Sorry if i make you think i am rude.
English is not my native language and i am struggling to understand everything you people write.
I don't want to be rude anyway.

Also i really don't understand most of the posts of Alavaria :(


I would assign the job of diplomat to someone who does well with making friends. All that needs to happen is for you to get set to blue with a null sec alliance and work out the terms of having blue status with them. Making friends with other corps/alliances is always good. You don't necessarily need to actually join an alliance to be set to blue with them.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#57 - 2013-09-14 04:06:18 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:


NPC Null Security space. Stations and all the benefits of Null Security space without the sov politics.


But then you need to do PvP all the time you are logged in because all the people want to kill you !
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#58 - 2013-09-14 04:08:43 UTC
BoSau Hotim wrote:


I would assign the job of diplomat to someone who does well with making friends. All that needs to happen is for you to get set to blue with a null sec alliance and work out the terms of having blue status with them. Making friends with other corps/alliances is always good. You don't necessarily need to actually join an alliance to be set to blue with them.



So where is that social interaction skill ?
(Try to be funny here and not leave you with the perspective that i am not polite :) )
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-09-14 04:10:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
Yngwiedis wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


NPC Null Security space. Stations and all the benefits of Null Security space without the sov politics.


But then you need to do PvP all the time you are logged in because all the people want to kill you !


Or you're told to PVP. That's usually more the case.

Last run in nullsec I had, I went broke replacing ships 'cause I could never get time to make some isks to pay for them.

If you aren't being b*tched at to fleet up, you're being shot at by the FC when you undock.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-09-14 04:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Twylla wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:


NPC Null Security space. Stations and all the benefits of Null Security space without the sov politics.


But then you need to do PvP all the time you are logged in because all the people want to kill you !


Or you're told to PVP. That's usually more the case.

Last run in nullsec I had, I went broke replacing ships 'cause I could never get time to make some isks to pay for them.

If you aren't being b*tched at to fleet up, you're being shot at by the FC when you undock.


After reading this thread I'm under the impression that he wants the goods without the effort involved to get any benefits from null.

FW is null sov light. War targets and lots of pirates that want a piece of you as well. No drag bubbles hurray.

Oh and don't forget sov and structure grinds. Lets shoot more pos/stations and sbu's. Joy!