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Why small corps can't access null sec ?

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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#21 - 2013-09-14 00:47:28 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
When CCP finally fixes the billboard code to allow players to add their own pictures, you can gurantee you'll see a :frogout: over every gate in Deklein. It's an effective mean of keeping people away.


You can troll me more. I don't care :P
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-09-14 00:50:49 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Alavaria wrote:
Why can't my frigate do L4s


Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ?
Learn the game first :P


Ive done a L4 in an incursus for the hell of it.

So you CAN do it.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#23 - 2013-09-14 00:51:59 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Alavaria wrote:
Why can't my frigate do L4s


Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ?
Learn the game first :P


Ive done a L4 in an incursus for the hell of it.

So you CAN do it.


OK you can do it. But is not suggested to do it anyway :)
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-09-14 00:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
Yngwiedis wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?


Who is the cow and what is the milk ?


the milk is the anomalies/signatures that nullsec renters farm. the cow is renting systems from nullsec alliances or taking systems for yourself.

you can ninja their sites if have the patience to go AFK for ages. they get massively shrill at you in local when you do this.

personally i don't have the patience.

forums.  serious business.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#25 - 2013-09-14 00:55:22 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:


personally i don't have the patience.


Me neither :)
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-09-14 00:55:59 UTC
Pretty much if you are willing to pay their rental fee, most renter alliances don't really give a care about how many of you there are in your corp. The benefit to having more people is sharing the cost so it impacts each player less.
Jumfat Kohlah
Dark Sacred Night
#27 - 2013-09-14 00:57:07 UTC
Quite interested about this concept you have about null and the fountains of isk.
What would you do there that doesn't require going to hi-sec to make the profit? Let me preempt your answer.

If your corp are miners - the ore you mine must be sold - in hi-sec. How are you going to get it there?

If your corp members are into production - how are they going to sell their goods? In hi-sec of course - refer to first question.

If your corp is into pvp - how will they sustain a ship destruction and reimbursement scheme without having a isk making capability and subsequently purchase ship capability from... hi-sec.

So that leaves you one possibility. Null sec Pve. All the pleasure of lvl4 missions with twice the risk.

Have you really thought out this desire?


Now, this is a situation that CCP have made that is ONLY addressable by joining an alliance. So bite the bullet.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-09-14 00:57:42 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
You can always rent. Just as good as owning territory except without all the alliance politics BS.


Like i write above that... I thought renting is prohibited to small corps. No ?


Depends on the system you will rent. I saw some numbers somewhere where you could rent systems as low as 1 billion per month. I can't seem to find these numbers, but if you have enough people you can split the costs and its not that much.

I have a friend who only pays 150 million per month to belong to a 30 man corp in null renters.

I would just poke around and find someone with the right price.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2013-09-14 01:00:53 UTC
You can access nullsec. I just wouldn't recommend trying to take sov with ten people. The whole point of sov is that people who can take it and hold it, deserve to have it. If the people you try to take it from kill you and chase you away, it meant they were strong enough to keep it. Anything else would be utterly unfair to the people who put in more effort than you to keep their space.

I would ask you a question. Why should you be able to take and hold sov space with just 10 players merely because you want it? Why do you think just wanting something entitles you to get it?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#30 - 2013-09-14 01:05:07 UTC
Jumfat Kohlah wrote:
Quite interested about this concept you have about null and the fountains of isk.
What would you do there that doesn't require going to hi-sec to make the profit? Let me preempt your answer.

If your corp are miners - the ore you mine must be sold - in hi-sec. How are you going to get it there?


With jump freighter.

Jumfat Kohlah wrote:

If your corp members are into production - how are they going to sell their goods? In hi-sec of course - refer to first question.


Again... with jump freighter.

Jumfat Kohlah wrote:

If your corp is into pvp - how will they sustain a ship destruction and reimbursement scheme without having a isk making capability and subsequently purchase ship capability from... hi-sec.


Let me guess... Jump freighter ?

Jumfat Kohlah wrote:

So that leaves you one possibility. Null sec Pve. All the pleasure of lvl4 missions with twice the risk.

Have you really thought out this desire?


Twice the risk heh ? Like i said before i was in null sec for several months and i was ratting with a Thanatos and 12 fighters.
It was easy. Believe me.
Risk is make the game exciting. If i don't want to be in a risk propbably i will not play it.

Jumfat Kohlah wrote:

Now, this is a situation that CCP have made that is ONLY addressable by joining an alliance. So bite the bullet.


I want to be part of an alliance. But they don't accept my small corp.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#31 - 2013-09-14 01:09:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can access nullsec. I just wouldn't recommend trying to take sov with ten people. The whole point of sov is that people who can take it and hold it, deserve to have it. If the people you try to take it from kill you and chase you away, it meant they were strong enough to keep it. Anything else would be utterly unfair to the people who put in more effort than you to keep their space.

I would ask you a question. Why should you be able to take and hold sov space with just 10 players merely because you want it? Why do you think just wanting something entitles you to get it?


I don't want to take sov with 10 people.
Why one corp need to be in just one system ? Why can't multiple corps keep one system ?
Why alliances don't accept small corps and put them together in one system ?
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#32 - 2013-09-14 01:09:47 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
You can always rent. Just as good as owning territory except without all the alliance politics BS.


Like i write above that... I thought renting is prohibited to small corps. No ?


Depends on the system you will rent. I saw some numbers somewhere where you could rent systems as low as 1 billion per month. I can't seem to find these numbers, but if you have enough people you can split the costs and its not that much.

I have a friend who only pays 150 million per month to belong to a 30 man corp in null renters.

I would just poke around and find someone with the right price.


Interesting staff :)
Thanks for the heads up...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#33 - 2013-09-14 01:09:47 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can access nullsec. I just wouldn't recommend trying to take sov with ten people. The whole point of sov is that people who can take it and hold it, deserve to have it. If the people you try to take it from kill you and chase you away, it meant they were strong enough to keep it. Anything else would be utterly unfair to the people who put in more effort than you to keep their space.

I would ask you a question. Why should you be able to take and hold sov space with just 10 players merely because you want it? Why do you think just wanting something entitles you to get it?


I don't want to take sov with 10 people.
Why one corp need to be in just one system ? Why can't multiple corps keep one system ?
Why alliances don't accept small corps and put them together in one system ?


Well, you said you were a mining corp, right?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-09-14 01:11:43 UTC
Oh I found the rental prices....

http://themittani.com/features/rental-empires-eve

This is what the Goons are renting space for so if you can afford the prices then well you can be in null sec with a small alliance.

Though I don't know how sure I would be renting from certain people...

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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#35 - 2013-09-14 01:12:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can access nullsec. I just wouldn't recommend trying to take sov with ten people. The whole point of sov is that people who can take it and hold it, deserve to have it. If the people you try to take it from kill you and chase you away, it meant they were strong enough to keep it. Anything else would be utterly unfair to the people who put in more effort than you to keep their space.

I would ask you a question. Why should you be able to take and hold sov space with just 10 players merely because you want it? Why do you think just wanting something entitles you to get it?


I don't want to take sov with 10 people.
Why one corp need to be in just one system ? Why can't multiple corps keep one system ?
Why alliances don't accept small corps and put them together in one system ?


Well, you said you were a mining corp, right?


Where you see that ?
Oh in my corp description...
Don't believe everything you read ;)
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#36 - 2013-09-14 01:13:44 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Oh I found the rental prices....

http://themittani.com/features/rental-empires-eve

This is what the Goons are renting space for so if you can afford the prices then well you can be in null sec with a small alliance.

Though I don't know how sure I would be renting from certain people...


Thank you very very much :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#37 - 2013-09-14 01:19:07 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can access nullsec. I just wouldn't recommend trying to take sov with ten people. The whole point of sov is that people who can take it and hold it, deserve to have it. If the people you try to take it from kill you and chase you away, it meant they were strong enough to keep it. Anything else would be utterly unfair to the people who put in more effort than you to keep their space.

I would ask you a question. Why should you be able to take and hold sov space with just 10 players merely because you want it? Why do you think just wanting something entitles you to get it?


I don't want to take sov with 10 people.
Why one corp need to be in just one system ? Why can't multiple corps keep one system ?
Why alliances don't accept small corps and put them together in one system ?


Well, you said you were a mining corp, right?


Where you see that ?
Oh in my corp description...
Don't believe everything you read ;)


Fair enough. Well, you need to ask yourself what you bring to a nullsec alliance. If you are miners, then think about this.

A nullsec alliance that might need more industry? Probably will/is having trouble holding on to it's space, and needs combat pilots.

A nullsec alliance that does not need more industry? Then a miner corp is a liability on their killboards.

There are plenty of places where you won't be straight up turned away for being a ten man corp. You just gotta find em.

So, why does it have to be nullsec? Why not just take over a few lowsec systems and declare them yours?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-09-14 01:24:11 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Alavaria wrote:
Why can't my frigate do L4s


Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ?
Learn the game first :P


Ive done a L4 in an incursus for the hell of it.

So you CAN do it.


OK you can do it. But is not suggested to do it anyway :)

You can take sov as well, just find some dead alliance and shoot some structures.

Loyalty is a virtue, participation brings reward.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#39 - 2013-09-14 01:25:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Fair enough. Well, you need to ask yourself what you bring to a nullsec alliance. If you are miners, then think about this.

A nullsec alliance that might need more industry? Probably will/is having trouble holding on to it's space, and needs combat pilots.

A nullsec alliance that does not need more industry? Then a miner corp is a liability on their killboards.

There are plenty of places where you won't be straight up turned away for being a ten man corp. You just gotta find em.

So, why does it have to be nullsec? Why not just take over a few lowsec systems and declare them yours?


Because from my experience all these years i realize that low sec is more difficult from null sec.
Also you can't "conquer" and declare yours an NPC system :)
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#40 - 2013-09-14 01:27:22 UTC
Alavaria wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Alavaria wrote:
Why can't my frigate do L4s


Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ?
Learn the game first :P


Ive done a L4 in an incursus for the hell of it.

So you CAN do it.


OK you can do it. But is not suggested to do it anyway :)

You can take sov as well, just find some dead alliance and shoot some structures.


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