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Why small corps can't access null sec ?

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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#1 - 2013-09-14 00:14:43 UTC
Hello to all...

I play EVE for many years now. Most of these years i have my own corp.
My corp don't have so many members. Is just me and my alts and a couple of friends of mine.
I always have that question.
Why do i need to join a bigger corp which is member of an alliance and then gain access to null sec ?
Why alliances don't accept smaller corps ? Smaller corps some times have more experienced players from what you imagine.
I would love to access null sec with my own corp and my friends and not as a member of a thousand members corp.

I know that i can't change the "tradition" of this thing but i write this topic to be food for thought...

Thank you.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2013-09-14 00:18:01 UTC
I didn't realize that nullsec gates had corp membership requirements to use. What risk adverse player that is scared to leave 1.0 space told you that one?





Just jumped into nullsec.... it let me through...and ive only got 1 member in corp. Cant get smaller than that.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#3 - 2013-09-14 00:20:25 UTC
No one told me what you say.
You think a small corp can go in null sec and conquer a solar system and take it from a big alliance ?
I don't think so....
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-09-14 00:22:09 UTC
why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

forums.  serious business.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-14 00:24:54 UTC
Small corps are absolutely welcome in nullsec. Please contact me ingame to discuss getting your small corp set up in Vale of the Silent.

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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#6 - 2013-09-14 00:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Yngwiedis
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?


Who is the cow and what is the milk ?
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-09-14 00:26:00 UTC
Why can't my frigate do L4s

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#8 - 2013-09-14 00:26:13 UTC
On a more serious note: a larger entity would rather have a couple of guys dissolve into the larger structure (and apply to existing corps) to keep a strong sense of unity and direction. A large alliance with lots of small corps that each operate 'on their own island' is less attractive then a formidable unified force which can take, and hold, strategical locations.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#9 - 2013-09-14 00:27:30 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Small corps are absolutely welcome in nullsec. Please contact me ingame to discuss getting your small corp set up in Vale of the Silent.


I will contact you if my friends want also to have a taste of null sec.
Thank you for your offer :)
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#10 - 2013-09-14 00:29:34 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
On a more serious note: a larger entity would rather have a couple of guys dissolve into the larger structure (and apply to existing corps) to keep a strong sense of unity and direction. A large alliance with lots of small corps that each operate 'on their own island' is less attractive then a formidable unified force which can take, and hold, strategical locations.



I agree with that.
But why a corp with.. lets say... 200 members, can take and hold a system and 10 corps with 200 members in total can't ?
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#11 - 2013-09-14 00:31:31 UTC
Alavaria wrote:
Why can't my frigate do L4s


Because you don't know that frigates can't handle L4 missions ?
Learn the game first :P
terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-14 00:33:47 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
On a more serious note: a larger entity would rather have a couple of guys dissolve into the larger structure (and apply to existing corps) to keep a strong sense of unity and direction. A large alliance with lots of small corps that each operate 'on their own island' is less attractive then a formidable unified force which can take, and hold, strategical locations.



I agree with that.
But why a corp with.. lets say... 200 members, can take and hold a system and 10 corps with 200 members in total can't ?


Who said they can't?
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#13 - 2013-09-14 00:36:07 UTC
Big alliances don't accept small corps as their members. So they said it in a way... Maybe they think differently.
Rengerel en Distel
#14 - 2013-09-14 00:38:44 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Big alliances don't accept small corps as their members. So they said it in a way... Maybe they think differently.


Yeah, all those < 10 member corps in the rental alliances are there as show. Oh, you mean you want to live in null, but not have to pay to live there, or contribute in any way, or have to deal with defending your space, or really anything else. You might want to consider just finding a quiet wormhole and living there instead.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-09-14 00:39:45 UTC
Yngwiedis wrote:
Who is the cow and what is the milk ?


The cow is a bull and that isn't milk your drinking....Twisted

The better question is why do you want to go to null? I jumped out there to an old clone and slowly made my way back to lowsec 18 jumps through systems only populated by drag bubbles. Null sec populations tend to be very centered around systems with stations. I can get more action almost instantly living in low sec without the annoyance of being dragged 100 km off gates or having to bounce planets to avoid it. Null bears also are generally skiddish about pvp unless they have the mongol horde at their back so even when you can get fights you have to work at getting them to isolate one or two that you can shoot.

If your just looking for minerals/ratting without the pvp, why not rent? Its not like your short of your choice of rental alliances at the moment. All of the pleasure and not (much) of the pain. Just the shame of being called a pet on the forums Lol
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-09-14 00:40:12 UTC
You can always rent. Just as good as owning territory except without all the alliance politics BS.

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Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#17 - 2013-09-14 00:41:19 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Big alliances don't accept small corps as their members. So they said it in a way... Maybe they think differently.


Yeah, all those < 10 member corps in the rental alliances are there as show. Oh, you mean you want to live in null, but not have to pay to live there, or contribute in any way, or have to deal with defending your space, or really anything else. You might want to consider just finding a quiet wormhole and living there instead.


Where you see that i don't want to pay or contribute ?
Read more carefully please :)
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-09-14 00:43:07 UTC
When CCP finally fixes the billboard code to allow players to add their own pictures, you can gurantee you'll see a :frogout: over every gate in Deklein. It's an effective mean of keeping people away.

.... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#19 - 2013-09-14 00:44:11 UTC
Andracin wrote:
Yngwiedis wrote:
Who is the cow and what is the milk ?


The cow is a bull and that isn't milk your drinking....Twisted

The better question is why do you want to go to null? I jumped out there to an old clone and slowly made my way back to lowsec 18 jumps through systems only populated by drag bubbles. Null sec populations tend to be very centered around systems with stations. I can get more action almost instantly living in low sec without the annoyance of being dragged 100 km off gates or having to bounce planets to avoid it. Null bears also are generally skiddish about pvp unless they have the mongol horde at their back so even when you can get fights you have to work at getting them to isolate one or two that you can shoot.

If your just looking for minerals/ratting without the pvp, why not rent? Its not like your short of your choice of rental alliances at the moment. All of the pleasure and not (much) of the pain. Just the shame of being called a pet on the forums Lol


I want to go to null because i earn more ISK there. I was in null sec for some months when i was a members of another corp and i know how much you can earn there.

Renting is not prohibited to small corps ? I thought it was...
Yngwiedis
Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force
#20 - 2013-09-14 00:45:48 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
You can always rent. Just as good as owning territory except without all the alliance politics BS.


Like i write above that... I thought renting is prohibited to small corps. No ?
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