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Dropping cans and probes (before odyssey) to decloak cloakies is a game exploit which is against the rules. 60 cans means pretty much all gate has been covered.

Of course if GM feels that a particular can droppings at a gate is to decloak, it will remove it and give you a warning / ban, depending on what's your karma status in game. I hope that there is not a particular number of cans allowed as that would lead to again the same thing.

I think its a matter of your intentions with the dropped cans rather than a specific number, if there is 100 cans 100 drones on grid around one gate ranging from 0-200km then its probably not someone using the exploit but remains after a fight, of course you can use the remains to your own advantage. I guess if you catch someone that way you are pretty much safe from GM fire.


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Shame on you.

How is burn Jita fine and droping cans on a gate not? Its not about lag, its about decloaking cloaky ships. If a handful of cans messes up your servers, then the problem is your servers. If you don't want can's on gate, make the gate guns shoot cans. Don't loose your minds and threten to ban someone who had NOTHING to do with the can droping. What the hell, its a legitimate PvP stategy. How many bubbles on a gate can I have before I get baned? how about drones? How many drones can a fleet have out before the corp ceo gets baned?
Avoid asshattery.

P.S. enjoy these PAYING coustomer tears.

This pops up every so often.

Dropping cans to decloak people is allowed... to a point. The general consensus is that there is no problem until you MIGHT cause lag with the sheer amount of cans on grid.

See it as a "common sense" thing; 20 or so cans would be okay... 60 would most likely be a "problem."

Interestingly, the same policy also applies to anchor-able warp disruptor bubbles.


Btw... the rules have NEVER been clear or precise on purpose because what causes or does not cause lag varies from situation to situation depending on general server health and population.


edit: as far as the comparison between Burn Jita and spamming causing lag goes... one is players doing their thing. The other is player generated trash.

I read the mail on Reddit, and I hope to hell that the GM isn't implying that the CEO is going to have actions taken against his account for something that other people do.

I don't care about what was done to cause grief, banning someone for the actions of others is not on.

Like I said... there is no hard or fast rule about it. It's a judgement call at the GM's discretion because there will be times where 10 cans will create detectable amounts of lag and there will be other times where 100 won't.

Again, the general consensus among many (in quite a few threads) is that you should use a bit of common sense. You don't need to go "overkill" right away when you can pull off largely the same results with less.


I'm trying to see if I can find the GM post (that I distinctly recall) that explains this ... but I seem to have trouble finding it.

fake edit:

This actually happens more often than you think. Goonswarm leaders (and their pets) were sometimes EVE-mailed over certain station names they had no knowledge of and/or actions of underlings when no one perp could be singled out.
See it as a "get your house in order" type warning and not as a direct threat against the CEO.

I mostly agree with this.

I'm huge fan of finding loopholes and playing with the "grey area" with regards to rules (because it wouldn't be EVE without doing such things)... and I must admit, I'm a little leery of the new ToS rules regarding "impersonation" (I feel there needs to be some serious clarification on the matter).

However, pushing things to the utter limit is actually how we get more and "harder" restrictions placed upon us. And "hard" restrictions become dicey when you are dealing with dynamic issues such as server performance.


Let me put it another way...

Imagine yourself as a GM. Your job is to ensure a stable server and prevent player abuse without infringing [too much] on emergent gameplay.
You get a petition from a player that a group is spamming cans all over a gate. You know that enough debris over a concentrated area will cause lag for some people... but you also know that can spam is a perfectly legitimate form of gameplay.

Which would you be more inclined to ignore/write-off;
- The group launching only 10 or 20 cans and isn't making more unless the old ones disappear?
or
- The group that has made 60 cans and seems to be making more as time goes on?

This. Drop a few cans. Enough for decloaking. Dropping too many and you'll get paid a visit by a GM. How many is too many? There is no hard and fast number, AFAIK, so be a be judicious.