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[ISODE] Live coverage of the Mantenault Referendum

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Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#21 - 2013-09-09 05:07:35 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Mmm... Clearly everything's just fine down there. They have their freedom, their government spooks and their explosions.


Alright, alright, everything wasn't fine.

You know what, Pieter, keep your smug superiority to yourself alright. People could be dying down there for all we know and you're busy trying to prove your point. You know what, half the people around here would stop talking the moment something even slightly negative touched their precious faction. We're just dealing with the facts and doing what we can to help in the meanwhile.

You can take your petty pot shots later.
Jake Favre
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-09-09 07:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Favre
We are pleased to announce that the NAG restored the administrative communication network. Unfortunately there is still a lot of work to do and the main civilian infrastructure remains down.

After long discussions and internal debates, the local Sociocrat party has reached the conclusion that no matter what happened in the election process and the current intergalactic context in the frame of the CEWPA, it is our democratic duty to remain in line with the ideals of the Federation as well as the ones that binded Mantenault together for the past years.

It is with emotion that we deeply regret that the situation turned sour and we understand how both sides feel in the current imbroglio. It is a shame to witness that a mere program glitch proved to cause so much harm to a democratic standard procedure.

However we refuse to approve the thought that the perception of our citizens here might be somehow coloured by such a petty issue. We remain confident that they voted according to their conscience and beliefs, and until more light is brought on the case and before getting actual clues and solid facts, the Sociocrat party decides to withdraw from the Progressive and Unionist coalition, as we feel that their refusal to recognize a democratic process can only be harmful to the Federation ideals at large. As long as no proofs are brought up to make us think otherwise, we believe that the law has to be respected at all costs and we find deeply regrettable that the Progressive and Unionist parties seem to stir up social unrest unnecessarily.

In consequence, the Sociocrats will take back their seat at the NAG and accomplish the civic duties that the Mantenault population entrusted them with until further notice. We will not disappoint.

However, waiting for the communication relays to be functional again, technicians seem for now unable to access most of the planet infrastructure as several key places are still insecure enough to not put their lives at risk.

Thank you.
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#23 - 2013-09-09 08:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Laurentis Thiesant
What absolute nonsense.

This is just indicative of usual Sociocrat behavior. They'll backflip and backflip and backflip again if it gets them closer to power.
I cannot believe the words of this bunch of autocrats who have become so desperate to maintain the scraps of power that the NAG has afforded their minority parties that they'd throw out core Federate values of free and fair elections.

I have been a member of the Gallentean Progressor Party now for most of my life, and I know that the situation that the radical Ultra-Nationalists and their Sociocrat partners describe would be unthinkable when it comes to the ideological foundation that drives the Progressor organisation. Unlike the U-Nats, we are not extremist fringe-dwellers, we are not warmongers. For the Social Democratic party in this region to associate openly with the likes of them in the subversion of democratic processes shows they are only proving that they are on the fast track to the same political oblivion that the U-Nats currently enjoy after their 'blip' of relevance in the Caldari-Gallente war!

In my heart, I know there is more to this story than what we are hearing. The fact that the Nationalist-Sociocrat partnership now controls the only interstellar broadcasting system operating on the planet is not only a devastating condemnation against their ideological drive for central control, but it is more than enough reason for me to believe that we are not getting the full picture.

I have faith in my Progressor colleagues in their ability to overcome this adversity and to find a way to present their evidence before the people of Mantenault and of the greater cluster. Until then, it is only reasonable to believe that the NAG will be unable to complete an unbiased assessment of their own wrongdoings at this time and so sovereign authority must come home to the citizens of the colony to determine their own affairs.

The murky legal nature of the NAG is insufficient, and it should recuse itself from any further involvement in colonial affairs until Progressor witnesses and evidence can be given the opportunity to be heard. New votes must proceed, and ISODE calls on all outside support to help assure that they are not corrupted in the same manner again.
Jake Favre
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-09-09 08:53:45 UTC
Mr Thiesant,

You sound rather upset. I might understand that it is part of what caused so much trouble in the first place, but apparently your fellow progressives here seem to have conveniently forgotten to consult us when deciding to withdraw altogether. Maybe such practices were an usual commodity that could be thrown out the airlock with my predecessor, but I can assure you that now the direction has changed, its methods have too.

Rest assured, though, that the Sociocrat party is still open to a new referendum, as long as order has been restored.

From now on, as social unrest has amplified to really unhealthy heights, we are doing our best to convince the U-Nat party not to establish martial law, something your fellow progressives could prevent by coming back at the table of the democratic process. Sometimes, one has to swallow his pride to admit defeat and work for another one not to happen again.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#25 - 2013-09-09 09:41:08 UTC
Politics of humans...

They bore me. Let me know if anything significant comes of this, otherwise I don't understand why capsuleers would give a damn...

-Eran
Kaid Hayden
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#26 - 2013-09-09 12:16:00 UTC
As a member of the Sociocrat party, I'm utterly appalled that the Sociocrats would collaborate with the U-nats. You have to be principled and take a stand for the working classes, against any and all oppressors. As much as I dislike the Progressor's ideologically driven privatizations and Federation-wide abolishing of social security systems, they are the lesser evil when compared to the unapologetic fascism of the U-nats. U-nat supporters figure daily in racist hate crime and union-busting violence. Collaboration with these anti-democratic thugs is a betrayal of the fundamental principle of social democracy: solidarity.
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#27 - 2013-09-09 13:23:11 UTC
Jake Favre wrote:
Mr Thiesant,

You sound rather upset. I might understand that it is part of what caused so much trouble in the first place, but apparently your fellow progressives here seem to have conveniently forgotten to consult us when deciding to withdraw altogether. Maybe such practices were an usual commodity that could be thrown out the airlock with my predecessor, but I can assure you that now the direction has changed, its methods have too.

Rest assured, though, that the Sociocrat party is still open to a new referendum, as long as order has been restored.

From now on, as social unrest has amplified to really unhealthy heights, we are doing our best to convince the U-Nat party not to establish martial law, something your fellow progressives could prevent by coming back at the table of the democratic process. Sometimes, one has to swallow his pride to admit defeat and work for another one not to happen again.


Forgotten to consult you? Dear M. Favre, while you may be attempting to position yourself as such, the Sociocrat party is not some kind of Amarrian holder with dominion over the Progressors. There was no obligation on the part of the Mantenault branch to factor in your opinions to any decision made by the organisation.

The Institute and I continue to be deeply concerned about putting arbitrary goals on democracy that are as vague as the 'restoration of order'. It has taken several years for the topic of changing the NAG back into a citizen-based direct democracy to even be accepted by the council. The existence of the NAG was supposed to support short-term order and security then, just how long will the people of Mantenault have to wait now? With the failure of the NAG to maintain order and prevent the corruption of this election, how can the citizens have confidence that 'next time' will be any different?

The NAG's objectives are in opposition to the people's objectives. The people would not need to be convinced not to establish martial law, and by recognizing the government of the Ultra-Nationalists, the Sociocrats have given them legitimate means to move for such an action.

Your predecessor and the Mantenault Progressor branch had managed to effectively stop the ability of the NAG to harm civilians by refusing to recognise it. All you have done now is tied it right back into the structure of government, and made it that much more likely that the militia and other armed forces will obey whatever orders are put forth, legal or otherwise.

You've muddied the waters so you could have a 'bet each way'. By asking the Progressors to join you at the Ultra-Nationalist's side, you've asked them to seize power without a real continuing mandate.

I'm sure they'll seek their guidance from the true voice of the people, thank you very much.

ISODE is still attempting to contact other communications relays on the planet, do tell us if you can put us onto someone from outside of your cabal, won't you?
Jake Favre
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-09-10 19:05:39 UTC
Mr Thiesant,

You may have forgotten that the Mantenault colonies have been on the front line for years, and is still at this very time fighting for its survival in the proxy war at the side of the Federation. At the time we speak, whole districts of the planets are under ground fire and the solar system is in itself heavily contested. What we do not need at all, especially now, is social unrest. If the latter turn bad enough, then it could very well mean offering the whole planet itself on a platter to Caldari forces. Dissenters might very well be actually helping the enemy, willingly or not. To citizens that are still taking part in that, I understand that most of you feel outraged for good reasons, but I hope you will reconsider for the time being.

I hope with that in mind you will understand that it is not an easy, black and white situation, and that continuing in that direction at the worst time possible is not what I would call a constructive behaviour. It is a clear hint at disorganized priorities. I will also reiterate the will of the Mantenault Sociocrat party to push for a new referendum as soon as order is restored and more light has been brought on the matter.

In the meantime, it would appear that we are also facing a shortage of transmitters, neocoms, and a few broadcast nodes as well as various electronic pieces. Without an access to such hardware, it seems that repairing the damage inflicted to the rest of the infrastructure might take some time.

Thank you for your understanding.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#29 - 2013-09-10 19:56:17 UTC
I'd like to take a moment to thank Laurentis Thiesant and ISODE for the live coverage. It was detailed, informative, and of a higher standard than most Federation reporting I've seen.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#30 - 2013-09-13 11:06:18 UTC
That much is certainly true.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Franseza Quiniou
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-09-13 16:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Franseza Quiniou
Potential Elusenian involvement in Mantenault political crisis as ELPIDA space commander recalled to homeland

Vale - Reports have surfaced that the Elusenian government may move to involve itself in the current political crisis on Mantenault VI, after the commander of ELPIDA's space forces Seriphyn Inhonores was witnessed returning to Caerleon just hours ago. The ESS Launcelot, a Talos-class battlecruiser captained by the Director-General's son, was seen docking in Vale after concluding a deployment to Brutor space in the Heimatar region. It is said that this development only came about after Seriphyn Inhonores was seen conversing with Vittenynese lobbyist Laurentis Thiesant in a public neurovisual channel. Sig. Thiesant is widely known to have vested interests in the crisis.

Political crisis erupted on Mantenault VI following a referendum that would see the current planetary administration dissolved in favour of a directly democratic system. Opposing political parties accused one another of sabotaging the voting process after the planet's relay network collapsed, resulting in a fragmentation of the world's government. While the Federation has nominally involved itself by dispatching FIO investigators to the planet, communications are currently down and the situation on the ground remains unclear.

How Elusenia may involve itself is not currently known, nor is it known if it will be able to acquire approval to do so from the Mantenault government. A spokesperson for Seriphyn Inhonores's staff confirmed that the ELPIDA captain is in meeting with the Directorate alongside the military command, but no additional word was given on the content of this meeting. No other government office has commented on the matter. For the timebeing, it is speculated that the Elusenian government may send electoral officers to independently facilitate a re-run of the referendum in a move to restore the Mantenaultian political order. With the communications infrastructure on the planet currently out of operation, it is unclear how this may be undertaken. The Agora is scheduled to meet tomorrow, and initial reports are unclear if the legislature will approve any foreign involvement by the Directorate.

This report is speculation and thus its content is subject to individual verification.

Franseza Quiniou
Political Correspondent
Caerleon Broadcasting Union
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2013-09-13 21:36:42 UTC
Yes, but wouldn't this require Seriphyn Inhonores to enter Black Rise in a shiny ship?

I find this highly unlikely.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#33 - 2013-09-13 21:55:41 UTC
I think you might want to work on your interstellar wayfinding there.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2013-09-13 22:31:03 UTC
Sorry, I'm posting from a Marine dropship without the benefit of the infonet.

It's STILL the warzone though, right? So my point STILL stands?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-09-13 22:48:25 UTC
If it weren't for U-Nats, the Gallente and Caldari would be at peace, hell, you could even argue that the Caldari would of never broken off in the first place.

Though the U-Nats are certainly very good at influencing the magpies, which seem to make up the majority of the voting bloc within the Sociocrat party. Hell considering that the Sociocrats are currently best friends with the Black Eagles, I'm not surprised that they are the puppets of the U-Nats. Supporting Sociocrats and U-Nats while scoffing at the totalitarian nature of the late Provist Regime over in the State is horribly ironic and outright hypocritical.

I'm quite confident that the explosions and dissent are all the U-Nats doing, they are well known for this type of thing.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2013-09-13 22:57:59 UTC
As someone unfamiliar to the complexities of this situation, would anyone mind bringing me up to speed, please? I think I may just be missing a few key details in order to understand everything going on in this thread.

I do like to be informed, though.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#37 - 2013-09-13 23:11:43 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Sorry, I'm posting from a Marine dropship without the benefit of the infonet.

It's STILL the warzone though, right? So my point STILL stands?


No. It's nowhere near Black Rise.

Better luck next time.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#38 - 2013-09-13 23:53:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Sorry, I'm posting from a Marine dropship without the benefit of the infonet.

It's STILL the warzone though, right? So my point STILL stands?


For clarity

I don't understand what's so newsworthy about this either, however. Some more information would be useful.

-Eran

Edit: I mean, aren't these kind of situations common among democracies?
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#39 - 2013-09-14 00:06:53 UTC
The peaceful transition of power is a cornerstone of democracy, as is the ability for opposing groups to settle their disagreements bloodlessly. We have witnessed a failure to live up to these two principles, and by extension, a failure of democracy that must be rectified.

Democracy or not though, the collapse of a planetary relay network as a result of any manifestation of political unrest is newsworthy in and of itself.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#40 - 2013-09-14 00:16:23 UTC
It could be argued that many democracies only come about through unpeaceful means. Democracy, though noble in it's intent, is often corrupted by men who use bureaucracy as a loophole. I'm not sure if this is a failure of democracy but rather an example of how democracy doesn't always work. Given the nature of the dubious capsuleer reports, I'm hesitant to believe this is anything but propaganda. Surely when communications drop because of civil unrest, that is news-worthy, but I'm curious why a previous unknown organization is the only one to report it.

As a side note, this is occuring in lo-sec space where laws and means are often bent...I'm not saying traditional politics aren't possible but it's certainly going to be dfficult.

-Eran