Crime & Punishment

Anyway, I'm exhausted.
Go ahead with your crusade, don Quixote. You'll get what he got - a reputation as a crank, and a bunch of lumps. I'm not playing Sancho Panza for you.

Sounds like you don't know my corp home is in 0.1

When you enjoy a game you create and participate in a discussion in how to make it better. It's how I roll.

Of course its possible to stop a gank, but its not exactly easy, as you can see by the excellent posts by some of the gankers who described their mode of operation, I have read quite a few posts on ganking techniques and cannot help but be impressed by how they go about it.

And as for trolling, come on, that people don't clean up threads or ban you is no confirmation of guilt or not, personally speaking banning you or removing your posts is not something I would agree with anyway, and I would certainly not agree with closing this thread because people like you have changed the thread into a slanging match.

Does the idea of giving the ganked a greater number of kill rights based on ISK value of their lost ship result in a greater possibility of combat or not. Bluntly put I don't expect that I would everr get to do it as I mine very infrequently and only in a Skiff, but I would certainly bother to go off after someone if I felt I could impact their ganking efforts, but to run around after someone for a single measly gank fit Catalyst is not exactly going to push me to make that effort, while if I can impact his actual operations by removing one gank ship a number of times I am having an impact. Of course there is the -10 security status and while I could quite easily get it right, most carebears are too risk adverse and not used to PvP, make it a bit easier with kill rights and more might do something and that would be a great combat driver. Now come on tell me where I am wrong on this?

I would repeat again one thing I would not do is allow the monetary value to be transferred to others, only the single kill right.

OK thankyou.

I'm glad that you found the opportunity to get payback. Tell me, did you get to destroy an equal value asset to the one you lost?

Well, that must've been the well known Ace Gunnery I would expect? (*edit no, checked the boards and even he is not that dumb).

Read the thread. This is about pro gankers that never can be caught outside of their gank fit ships as they are dedicated alts for this purpose. They are smart enough to only fly ships that are very, very cheap at all times (and they often have never even trained more expensive ships as this is a waste of time/isk).

They will never provide the opportunity that you were given.

And believe me, undocking in a Pirate Battleship when you have kill rights available on you is the height of noobery.

Again, gratx (regardless who it was). This is the rare case. But I am very happy your ganker got precisely what he had coming.

The point of this thread is a discussion about the Kill RIghts mechanism and if the inability to use them in any effective way against dedicated ganking alts requires a revision. The point is that because they don't work, dedicated ganking alts have been created and even -10 toons operate with impunity in high sec.

While I thank you for your response, it looks as though you have missed that.

Your post directly above and many others only confirms that the Kill Rights mechanism is utterly ineffective against the smart players. Everyone knows how to make ganks harder, everyone also knows that it cannot be completely prevented regardless of precautions. No one has a problem with this.

The problem is a game mechanic that does not provide the compensation it was intended to and has in fact, created a class of ganker that can use that to forever profitably gank. This is because gank fit ships are incredibly cheap whereas workable mission fit boats are not, regardless (for an example). In addition, the way High Sec currently works is that they can operate in the open *protected by Concord* and get the opener is every single encounter if they manage their security status properly ie never let it get below -5.

All of this would be fine but the KR mechanism allows for only one kill of a ship which is so worthless as to not be worth the trouble.

If the KR mechanism allowed even a fraction of the value of the loss be taken from the other players in compensation (ie multiple catalysts/tornados), or to take compensation with from any toon on that account or IP then we would not see gankers sitting in the open lining up their next kill throughout high sec.

YES, let people gank if they are committed enough to it. But it is far too easy to avoid any repercussion or economic penalty that is commensurate as the situation stands.

No, it doesn't. You don't even need killrights against a dedicated ganking alt, because they are neg ten. Just shoot them. Unlike any other kind of player in eve, if you are fast enough you can harvest their pod completely legally.

Killrights should not work on them. I mean, what greater penalty should there be aside from ANYONE CAN KILL YOU LEGALLY.

Or are you just upset that people take steps to avoid this, and because they're behaving in a smarter way than you are, you can't get a hit in?



You will find that most mechanisms aren't very effective against smart players. The Bounty mechanism, the gatecamp mechanism, the afk cloaking mechanism.

Most of the "mechanisms" in the game are a barrier only to the stupid. That's what they are for, to separate people who know what they are doing from people who don't. You my friend, don't.



It provides precisely what it was intended to, it just doesn't provide what you want. Guess what, skippy, if you want vengeance you have to go out and get it yourself. Stop asking for the devs to do your work for you.

Also, the entire point is moot because anyone can shoot at neg tens. Which is what most ganking alts will be within two weeks or so. So why do you even care in the first place?



No more nerfs to the already most nerfed playstyle in the game. Ganking has been nerfed time and time again, throughout the history of this game.

It is now at the point where if you get ganked it is your fault, because ganking is 100% avoidable.

This is SO GOOD. Yes! Keep it coming you sexy piece of meat!

"If the KR mechanism allowed even a fraction of the value of the loss be taken from the other players in compensation (ie multiple catalysts/tornados), or to take compensation with from any toon on that account or IP then we would not see gankers sitting in the open lining up their next kill throughout high sec.

YES, let people gank if they are committed enough to it. But it is far too easy to avoid any repercussion or economic penalty that is commensurate as the situation stands."

The KR system is balanced, a ship for a ship, should you be rewarded for losing a more valuable ship to a less valuable one?
It would be like punishing the PVP guy for taking out a cruiser or bigger with a frigate.
Concord takes the gankers ship for ganking you, and you are allowed to take one more ship away from him (if you can).
Why should others be punished for being better? That is basically what you are asking for.

My first gank produce a KR of 100k (no one is taking it) only to that cap's alliance (all three members). The second one gave me a public KR for free, still no one trying. I run around in my rookie ship all the time, a easy target. They don't attack, not because they will not cause me the same amount of ISK in damage. They don't attack, because I will not whine and most times congratulate them on waking up and joining the game.