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[Proposal] Null space no longer gives security status boost.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-14 17:03:11 UTC
In null security space, Concord don't know about the hostile acts you commit that in low and high sec space, you would be punished for.

So if they don't know about the hostile acts you commit, why do they know about the good ones you do? By this I mean the security increase for killing NPC's???

Null security space should have zero affect on your security status. Up or down. And before any of you think I am going for a stealth suicide ganker nerf, I am not. I love the fact that no place in the game (aside from being docked) is safe. What this will do is for players who can't go into high security space is leave them NPC's in low security space.

If you want to do the crime, time to do the time (in low sec that is).
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-14 17:20:02 UTC
Im pretty sure the 4 major empires and Concord know whats going in 0.0. Just becasuse they dont have Sov, doesnt mean they dont have a clue as to whats going on.

Maybe all ships are mandated by Concord to be equipped with comm devices that register any and all rat kills?

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-14 18:11:14 UTC
They don't know/don't care is irrelevant really. RP reasons aside, what are your thoughts on the change?
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#4 - 2011-11-14 18:11:47 UTC
Anything that gives a bounty, also gives a bit of Concord's approval, since Concord's the one paying out the bounties. It'd be odd if Concord paid bounties, but not sec status, for nullsec kills.

Interesting as it might be to keep criminals in lowsec for the duration of whatever time they spend in penance, there'd need to be a lot more compelling content there to justify forcing that on people.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-14 18:26:43 UTC
Very very poor troll.

Try harder.

-10/10

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-14 21:35:59 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Very very poor troll.

Try harder.

-10/10


Its hardly a troll you idiot.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-14 21:45:09 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Very very poor troll.

Try harder.

-10/10


Its hardly a troll you idiot.


Only an Idiot would make an proposal obviously outlandish and foolish beyond all reason when it comes to how things work.

Just because CONCORD isn't in 0.0 doesn't mean they aren't watching and keeping track of things.

Do a little research and read up on things before you start spouting foolish things again.

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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#8 - 2011-11-14 21:59:06 UTC
Doesn't mesh with canon RP nor would it be a good idea to yank out the ability for CONCORD to put bounties on nullsec rats.

If you can't get standings increases from rat kills, there would be no logical reason for CONCORD to also include bounties unless they're able to register the kills. To stay canon and to be logical, you'd also need to remove bounties from rats, and simply put: **** THAT.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-14 22:07:07 UTC
I wouldn't be opposed to removing bounties and sec status increase by shooting rats (as it makes absolutely no logical sense), but as I've said with literally all other changes of this kind of nature, it has to be tempered with an equal and opposite chance for the nullsec dweller to make money.

Until that happens: No.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-14 23:36:43 UTC
Sounds like a stealth nerf to null and low sec.

No bounties and there's virtually no reason to be in null.

Low would be even worse! If people can't fix their sec status then a lot of people that are casual pirates will no longer even consider fighting in low sec with such a massive penalty hanging over them. Low sec will be even more deserted than it already is.

No support from me on this one.
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2011-11-15 00:01:48 UTC
RP - There are people in the star gates, who control access to it. They are also what is going on in the system, and they can register rat kills and pass out bounties and sec status.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-15 09:33:21 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Just because CONCORD isn't in 0.0 doesn't mean they aren't watching and keeping track of things.

Do a little research and read up on things before you start spouting foolish things again.


No more bounties in null and you get tags instead. Turn in tags in low/high sec. There. Now your RP is fixed. Now kindly **** off.

Smiling Menace wrote:
No bounties and there's virtually no reason to be in null.


If bounties on rats is the only reason you can see to be in null, you need to get out more.
Grozdan Boyadijev
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-15 09:54:27 UTC
This proposal is about as "WAAAAAAAH" as it gets. The (fairly obvious) ulterior motive is to eliminate suicide ganking in highsec, which CCP has stated multiple times to be working as intended. Your solution of "rats in null drop tags" is laughable at best, because the main reason rats are killed is specifically for the bounties, followed by the security status increases.

Also, removing bounties on rats would give players zero reason to be in null, as there would be nothing of value to the individual player. All of the larger benefits of null space (moongoo) require a reasonably large entity to maintain and a fair amount of isk to keep running. The value of these to the individual (unless you're skimming profits as the CEO of a corp or something) are fairly limited.

In short, without replacing ratting with some other activity that pays the individual, removing bounties and security status increases would turn null sec into a wasteland, and CCP would lose a considerable segment of their playerbase. Maybe you should consider the consequences of your proposals better before mindlessly posting them and then calling players who are capable of looking at the consequences trolls.

As others have said, I'd be fine with replacing ratting with something else, but since you have failed to provide that something else, your proposal is mostly dumb.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-15 09:58:50 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Just because CONCORD isn't in 0.0 doesn't mean they aren't watching and keeping track of things.

Do a little research and read up on things before you start spouting foolish things again.


No more bounties in null and you get tags instead. Turn in tags in low/high sec. There. Now your RP is fixed. Now kindly **** off.

So, turn in tags and get reward and security boost?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#15 - 2011-11-15 15:30:57 UTC
Please show the judge where on the mackinaw the bad boys touched you, miss.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-15 15:45:03 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Just because CONCORD isn't in 0.0 doesn't mean they aren't watching and keeping track of things.

Do a little research and read up on things before you start spouting foolish things again.


No more bounties in null and you get tags instead. Turn in tags in low/high sec. There. Now your RP is fixed. Now kindly **** off.

So, turn in tags and get reward and security boost?


That makes more sense to me. Would put a purpose back into tags.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-15 16:32:00 UTC
But that wouldn't help the posters of FHC, so I guess that's out then.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-15 16:59:55 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
[quote=Marlona Sky]So, turn in tags and get reward and security boost?


Just the reward, not both.

I do realize that the income of high sec needs a nerf. Why kill NPC's in null sec for a slightly better profit when you can do it in high sec in complete (aside from things like suicide ganks) safety? Balancing the income levels is not what this proposal is about.

And for the record, I am a supporter of suicide ganks, Hulkageddon and other activities like that. I even donated over a billion in prizes for last years Hulkageddon and will be doing the same this time. The purpose of this proposal is for there to be a different area for players to get their security status back up to go into high sec. More specific area. Low sec, where there is real danger doing it. Not ten regions deep into your power blocks territory where you have a dozen intel channels warning you of a lone guy running around so you have time to go make a sandwich and contemplate which safety zone you want to hide in, the POS tower, cloak or dock. Most parts of null are just as safe as high sec.

It is amusing to see some of you shout that this is a nerf to null sec, or to pirating or suicide ganking. You can still do all of that. You just have to rat in low sec instead of null.
Big Bad Mofo
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-11-15 17:01:46 UTC
With respect you think im gonna drag all those tags from say Stain all the way to empire? Err no sorry....
I jump clone so i dont have to fly up and down!

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-11-15 17:42:06 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Just the reward, not both.

So in other words, there's even less point in shooting red crosses, then, which means I'm definitely not going to do it. Oh well, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing now instead, spend a few minutes a day on my jita alt, fiddling with various buy/sell orders and get +1b dings in my wallet.

Hell, even my jita alt has a negative security rating because shooting red crosses is so much fun that I definitely need less incentive to do so.

Big Bad Mofo wrote:
With respect you think im gonna drag all those tags from say Stain all the way to empire? Err no sorry....
I jump clone so i dont have to fly up and down!

That's why you get someone do it for you?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

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