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GM clarification on rewording of the Terms of Service

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#1401 - 2013-09-13 15:29:09 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
GM Karidor wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

It could be the case that they want to avoid any act which allows for the potential identification of alts from their actions. Going back to the example where actually being an alt is treated differently:

The scammed player petitions Joe
- Gets reimbursed. Does business Abdiel as normal.
the scammed player petitions Phill
- No reimbursement > Scamee knows Phill = Abdiel thus both are labelled as scammers > Abdiel burns 2 characters since he was effectively outed by GM actions

Which demonstrates why the overreaching use, rather than simply naming, seems like a bad rule.


Bingo. That is one of the other reasons that both situations are handled identically.


In order to protect my account's identity, you are compelled to ban the account.

:CCP:
It works if you interpret the account as your bank account.
And identity as a surplus compared to last month.
And the banned account as your EVE related expenses.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1402 - 2013-09-13 15:31:19 UTC
http://evewho.com/pilot/Legit

Noone can claim to be legit. Impersonation.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#1403 - 2013-09-13 15:32:52 UTC
A very recent article showcasing yet another high-profile heist/scam/etc. that is now bannable under ToS changes.

Want to know how I found this article? CCP's twitter feed.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Lexmana
#1404 - 2013-09-13 15:33:14 UTC
Echo Echoplex wrote:
CCP, aren't you concerned at all with damage control?


It usually comes in the form of a letter by Hilmar to the comunity. But not before their bottom line takes a hit (and a lot of rage).
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#1405 - 2013-09-13 15:33:57 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
The GM interpretations I have seen thus far are appalling. Please, we want this escalated to someone more senior to reconsider this.

The change to not being able to impersonate groups or NPCs is a new change, and will only lead to abuse.


+1

This.

Who are these people and do they even know what game they're managing?

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Potentate Palladin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1406 - 2013-09-13 15:37:06 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:

In order to protect my account's identity, you are compelled to ban the account.

:CCP:

I'm only five minutes old and innit ironic that I already have to worry that I'm impersonating a member of your group? Oh, the irony.

Time for a EULAgy?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#1407 - 2013-09-13 15:39:32 UTC
Out of all the autistic neckbeard spacenerds on barricades -threads, this one is by far the most autistic.

You guys would be funny if you weren't actually serious about this whining.

Come on, raise your skinny fists to the heavens and demand justice!11onenenee



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Kheeria
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1408 - 2013-09-13 15:44:10 UTC
Roime wrote:
Out of all the autistic neckbeard spacenerds on barricades -threads, this one is by far the most autistic.

You guys would be funny if you weren't actually serious about this whining.

Come on, raise your skinny fists to the heavens and demand justice!11onenenee




Please go biomass.
Viscis Breeze
Abrupt Decay
Deteriorated
#1409 - 2013-09-13 15:46:07 UTC
This is just CCP Mad wielding the power stick for too long right?

Also how about this:

I roll a second account and a second character and impersonate myself to steal from someone who trusts my main. CCP knows that I own both accounts and that therefore I wasn't lying. Does my main then get banned and punished for something that my alt did?

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E'lyna Mis Dimaloun
REUNI0N
Against ALL Authorities
#1410 - 2013-09-13 15:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: E'lyna Mis Dimaloun
Johan March wrote:
Probably the most idiotic is the "you cannot impersonate an NPC entity". That is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in an MMO.


Not really. I remember someone naming their ship "CONCORD Salvager" and then salvaging mission wrecks of random guys. One guy even got confused and started asking in local when did CCP introduce Salvaging NPCs.

Guess that kind of ingenuity would be banned now =P
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#1411 - 2013-09-13 15:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Viscis Breeze wrote:
This is just CCP Mad wielding the power stick for too long right?

Also how about this:

I roll a second account and a second character and impersonate myself to steal from someone who trusts my main. CCP knows that I own both accounts and that therefore I wasn't lying. Does my main then get banned and punished for something that my alt did?


Yes, because according to GMs there is no ingame way to verify that your main is you.

E'lyna Mis Dimaloun wrote:
Johan March wrote:
Probably the most idiotic is the "you cannot impersonate an NPC entity". That is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in an MMO.


Not really. I remember someone naming their ship "CONCORD Salvager" and then salvaging mission wrecks of random guys. One guy even got confused and started asking in local when did CCP introduce Salvaging NPCs.

Guess that kind of ingenuity would be banned now =P


Yes, and according to GMs always has been.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#1412 - 2013-09-13 15:52:40 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Viscis Breeze wrote:
This is just CCP Mad wielding the power stick for too long right?

Also how about this:

I roll a second account and a second character and impersonate myself to steal from someone who trusts my main. CCP knows that I own both accounts and that therefore I wasn't lying. Does my main then get banned and punished for something that my alt did?


Yes, because according to GMs there is no ingame way to verify that your main is you.



Total BS...how do they ban all accounts of a botter then?

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1413 - 2013-09-13 15:53:28 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Total BS...how do they ban all accounts of a botter then?

Using out-of-game tools.
Viscis Breeze
Abrupt Decay
Deteriorated
#1414 - 2013-09-13 15:55:53 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Viscis Breeze wrote:
This is just CCP Mad wielding the power stick for too long right?

Also how about this:

I roll a second account and a second character and impersonate myself to steal from someone who trusts my main. CCP knows that I own both accounts and that therefore I wasn't lying. Does my main then get banned and punished for something that my alt did?


Yes, because according to GMs there is no ingame way to verify that your main is you.

E'lyna Mis Dimaloun wrote:
Johan March wrote:
Probably the most idiotic is the "you cannot impersonate an NPC entity". That is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in an MMO.


Not really. I remember someone naming their ship "CONCORD Salvager" and then salvaging mission wrecks of random guys. One guy even got confused and started asking in local when did CCP introduce Salvaging NPCs.

Guess that kind of ingenuity would be banned now =P


Yes, and according to GMs always has been.


Since when did we start taking all the sand out of the sandbox?

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arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#1415 - 2013-09-13 15:56:00 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
Total BS...how do they ban all accounts of a botter then?

Using out-of-game tools.


Great. so let them use those tools to varify if I am impersonating my alt or not :)

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Ed Tekki
Doomheim
#1416 - 2013-09-13 15:58:08 UTC
This is a horrible change. I don't entirely understand what it's purpose is, other than to act as the pebble which starts the avalanche of "carebear" ToS changes that see Eve, after 10 years of being the premier sandbox MMO, turn into another mundane cookie-cutter borefest, where all out of the box plays are instantly reported.

What makes it worse is there has been no detailed explanation why. The new rules are muddled, poorly contexted and only serve to diminish the game rather than enrich it.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#1417 - 2013-09-13 16:00:22 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Viscis Breeze wrote:
This is just CCP Mad wielding the power stick for too long right?

Also how about this:

I roll a second account and a second character and impersonate myself to steal from someone who trusts my main. CCP knows that I own both accounts and that therefore I wasn't lying. Does my main then get banned and punished for something that my alt did?


Yes, because according to GMs there is no ingame way to verify that your main is you.

E'lyna Mis Dimaloun wrote:
Johan March wrote:
Probably the most idiotic is the "you cannot impersonate an NPC entity". That is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in an MMO.


Not really. I remember someone naming their ship "CONCORD Salvager" and then salvaging mission wrecks of random guys. One guy even got confused and started asking in local when did CCP introduce Salvaging NPCs.

Guess that kind of ingenuity would be banned now =P


Yes, and according to GMs always has been.


My question: Why even try to regulate who is who in a world where your avatar is a weapon (in summary of the CONCORD Pilot Introduction video, or in the EVE:Empyrean Age novel where the broker uses multiple bodies/personas to accomplish his agenda). Why try to fix what isn't broken by catering to the gullible and the dumb?

There's a reason space is dark, kids don't play here, and GOOD players are built through the process. These players can't find a home anywhere else because of the process, other MMOs simply aren't good enough to satisfy after braving the learning curve of EVE and coming to realize what all it teaches/provides you, even WITH the dangers and risk of people and their word.

EVE is VR, emphasis on the R (Reality), especially where people still have yet to grow the **** up. WE LOVE THIS.

Whoever you are, GMs, wherever you're coming from, some of you need to step back and ask about the history that makes this game WHAT IT IS present day.

I strongly request you watch your OWN video, titled: EVE - Casualty

Some of you really need to learn what EVE is before you dare start trying to manage it.


P.S. Sure, EVE doesn't generate as much money for this style/art to its mechanics, but it practically OWNS the mature player base, with loyal friends like me who've stood by your side for 9 years ongoing. Expand the game on WHAT IT IS -NOT through redefining it.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
#1418 - 2013-09-13 16:09:00 UTC
So is CCP going to ban ~50% of the accounts then? Since the vast majority of female characters are actually men it's clearly a misrepresentation and impersonation.
Gavinvin1337
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1419 - 2013-09-13 16:19:31 UTC
I wouldn't be suprised if this was caused by someone getting recruited to the legal team from another games company. They get tasked to use their experience of gaming TOS's to look over the EVE one and see if there is anything they can fix.

They see the fact that other games have these types of statements in their TOS's and think "Oh look there's a big gaping hole in the TOS, lets fill it." .

I 100% think that whoever made this decision does not know the game or the community very well, as shown by this threadnaught.
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#1420 - 2013-09-13 16:20:54 UTC
Very saddened by the lack of blue in this thread.