EVE General Discussion

The GM's need to stop giving us their "interpretations" of the rules. They shouldn't be "clarifying" or "interpreting" anything at this point. I said it a few pages back, but senior Developers and CCP's legal team need to look at this. The CSM can help craft the language.

Probably the most idiotic is the "you cannot impersonate an NPC entity". That is probably one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in an MMO.

As many much smarter and more eloquent that an I have said in this thread, the game already gives a LOT of tools to verify someone's identity.

CCP, stop screwing around and address this.

Can you at least pretend to have read the TOS or, say, a post or two in this thread? I think the issue has been well defined about a TOS and clarifications that have not.

Or read my above post m8.

What did you do CCP, now you will have to work on those petitions day and night, was it worth it?

"You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else."

This sentence confuses me also. I may not obtain ....the character name of anyone else?

now, I'm not a native english speaker. But to me it seems as if I should not know any character name other than those of my characters?

you should delete character names in the forums, or am I wrong?

I don't even. Do you even EVE? The only impression anyone can take away from your last paragraph is that no, in fact, you don't, and are willfully blind to current gaming mechanics.

Here's an example of how they're different: my main, Draleth, is in the Brave Newbies Inc. [SB00N] corporation, headline corporation of the Brave Collective [BRAVE]. I participate in the majority of my play (internet spaceships, spreadsheets, and interpersonal contact) in my main. However, for rather obvious security reasons the alliance uses a sparesely-populated holding corp as executor. Thus, if I, as alliance director of diplomatic relations, need to modify contact standings I need to re-log as my alliance director alt. But it's still me. However, under the new/old/rarely-enforced rules if I'm invited back to a diplomatic convo by one of my secondaries and I claim to be Draleth while sitting in my alt, I can be petitioned by those I am convoing. Not that they would, but hey, some corporations have ***** (plural short form of Richard) for diplos.

So no, I can't do whatever I need to do with my main. No, it's not impersonation if you actually are the same person. In the real world there's this thing called pseudonyms. People are allowed to use them. You don't get charged with fraudulent impersonation if someone ******* (female dogs) about what you do under the pseudonym. You can still get charged with fraud. So what the GMs have unrolled here isn't anti-impersonation, it's anti-fraud. Call it what it is, and this isn't the EVE I signed up for. Fraud, as many others have mentioned including CCP themselves in ads is a core mechanic of gameplay. If you're stupid, you get bit. These people are called "marks" in the biz. And it is a business, both financially and politically through the spy metagame.

You mentioned not wanting to expose information. Well, as has been enforced:

Scammer pretending to be Guudguy scams Idiot. Idiot petitions. Nothing happens.

Alt Of Guudguy scams Idiot claiming to be an alt of Guudguy. Idiot petitions. Nothing happens.

There, solved it for you, and it'd be consistent with perceived implementation from the last decade! And do you know why he's an Idiot in those scenarios? Because he didn't check. Due diligence is your responsibility, the current phrasing makes it nobody's.

Edited to add: if you make it explicit that only the person being impersonated can successfully petition, then all is well. In the two scenarios I outline above the first would get the scammer petitioned and transactions rolled back. The second would result in an idiot becoming somewhat wiser, and knowing who to hate.

+1.
I can't see why CCP would want to implant lead in their own feet, but time and time again, they do.
I'm not to the point where I think they're out to ruin their own game (Since DUST probably isn't turning profit yet, oWoDO is miles away, and they can't all work at RIOT), but at this point it's because I don't trust them enough to accept that their convictions and actions coincide.
I don't think they intentionally want to cause PR excrement-storms, but it's hard to explain it otherwise.

And of course they only make it better by sending GMs to make it worse by "clarifying" that they meant it worse than what was before the least charitable interpretation.

If i sign a "Power of attorney" document with someone...can he scam on my behalf???

Impersonating someone, by using an deliberately similar name, has been (quite rightly) against the rules for as long as I remember.

Misrepresenting yourself, by claiming to be someone's alt or claiming to represent another entity, has until now been a normal part of Eve.

If someone claims to be an alt of Chribba, then I'd check with Chribba or check Chribba's bio. If someone claimed to represent Goons and that they could move my stuff into null, then I'd assume it was a scam anyway, especially if they were a member of the swarm.

Misrepresentation is part of Eve, Carbon as a Charon, Ravens as Navy Ravens, awoxing dishonest scumbags as honest reliable pilots, boys as girls, girls as boys.....

Editing the official wiki to pull off a scam was a clever move and I applaud the players ingenuity, but the wiki does need to be factually correct, so plug that loophole and leave us to lie to each other in game and on these forums.

You actually look like that as well :P