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T3 subsystem swapping @ SMA
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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#1 - 2013-09-13 15:06:42 UTC
Guys,

I keep seeing people requesting subsystem swapping be implemented, however looking at my T3 ships I don't have a single fit that I would be able to archieve just by being able to swap out the subsystems.

Rigs are most often different depending on the task and cannot be swapped out, so why do folks keep asking for this?
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2 - 2013-09-13 15:20:35 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Guys,

I keep seeing people requesting subsystem swapping be implemented, however looking at my T3 ships I don't have a single fit that I would be able to archieve just by being able to swap out the subsystems.

Rigs are most often different depending on the task and cannot be swapped out, so why do folks keep asking for this?


well of course you would have to change the modules as well, but you can already do that soooooo.....? how high are you?

Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-13 15:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Witchway wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Guys,

I keep seeing people requesting subsystem swapping be implemented, however looking at my T3 ships I don't have a single fit that I would be able to archieve just by being able to swap out the subsystems.

Rigs are most often different depending on the task and cannot be swapped out, so why do folks keep asking for this?


well of course you would have to change the modules as well, but you can already do that soooooo.....? how high are you?



Yes but rigs don't get swapped. Existing rigs are destroyed, new rigs go in. Everyone loves destroying 40mil rigs everytime they want to swap up their subsystems. How high are you?

Sub swapping is about as useful as destroying your T2 rigs on a daily basis several times a day in order to realize (haha) the flexibility of T3 sub swapping. The reality is that T3 flexibility of sub swapping can never be realized as long as rig mechanics require their destruction in order to change them.

I don't know about you but I don't usually fly a Tengu with 2 T2 CCC's in a PVP fit that I would in a PVE fit. Otherwise, I'd have a subpar PVP T3 that would just look silly on a km when it got popped.

Don't ban me, bro!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-13 15:39:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Swap also would mean assemble. I can think of 4 quick examples where having this capability would be nice.

Situation 1- A corp builds T3's in their WH (there are some who do). They would like to use what they built. Currently that means taking the ship and subs, loading in an industrial, flying out of the WH, assemble, fly back in. Seems kinda silly.

Situation 2- Someone wants to get their T3 in our out of their WH. Nobody else is online currently to help or support. The only chain is through some hostile space. Wouldnt it be nice to slap on a covert sub and cloak (maybe even the nulli sub), zip on in, and then swap back to your combat fit?

Situation 3- Large WH corp/alliance living in a C5+ usually restocks when they get a good exit to use a freighter. They bring in tons of fuel for the many towers as well as ships/mods/ammo etc. They can bring in every T1 and T2 ship in one haul and then members can assemble at the POS. Except for T3's which have to be dropped off at the nearest station and then flown in one at at time manually.

Situation 4- Someone EFT's a better fit. This may even require new rigs. But even so it would be much nicer to bring in the new mods and be able to change up the fit without having to completely fly out, reconfigure and fly back in.
Jon Matick
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-13 15:57:47 UTC
just putting a covops sub onto a DPS T3 would be very useful on occasion

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Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#6 - 2013-09-13 17:20:17 UTC
Yes there is a use. When i want to solo tank my tengu fit( using amp Node) then switch to RR (AS)... So theres a use both use t2 CCCs......Maybe you want to throw on the covert ops sub to warp about because you cant afford/dont want two T3s.

Maybe you run Armor Active loki for soloing sites but need to use RR sheild in fleets.
Maybe you want to use Rails on your tengu( they seem decent now).
Maybe you want to swap out fuel catalyst for Nullifier because you are being paranoid.
Maybe you want to throw on Locus analyzer cause you blew up your scan frig by accidentally decloaking yourself.
Maybe you want to try out a new fit but your low on cpu so you throw on CPU efficiency gate.
Maybe you feel like flying a laser legion not a HAM one or vice versa.

There are loads of reasons...
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#7 - 2013-09-13 19:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Just to test the waters, how bad would it be if the so "planned nerf" if ccp would give us sub swapping the ability to remove rigs in t3s without destroying them?
The catch could be that the subs could be attached to a particular sub.

IE: you put CCCs in your t3, if you swap the engineer sub, the rigs go with it.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Dirael Papier
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#8 - 2013-09-13 19:29:01 UTC
For some reason I was under the impression that CCP wanted to just get rid of rigs on T3s, so it'd just be subs.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#9 - 2013-09-13 19:34:50 UTC
Dirael Papier wrote:
For some reason I was under the impression that CCP wanted to just get rid of rigs on T3s, so it'd just be subs.

No, that's an awful idea that certain players have been throwing around.
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#10 - 2013-09-13 21:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Witchway
Mr Kidd wrote:
Witchway wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Guys,

I keep seeing people requesting subsystem swapping be implemented, however looking at my T3 ships I don't have a single fit that I would be able to archieve just by being able to swap out the subsystems.

Rigs are most often different depending on the task and cannot be swapped out, so why do folks keep asking for this?


well of course you would have to change the modules as well, but you can already do that soooooo.....? how high are you?



Yes but rigs don't get swapped. Existing rigs are destroyed, new rigs go in. Everyone loves destroying 40mil rigs everytime they want to swap up their subsystems. How high are you?

Sub swapping is about as useful as destroying your T2 rigs on a daily basis several times a day in order to realize (haha) the flexibility of T3 sub swapping. The reality is that T3 flexibility of sub swapping can never be realized as long as rig mechanics require their destruction in order to change them.

I don't know about you but I don't usually fly a Tengu with 2 T2 CCC's in a PVP fit that I would in a PVE fit. Otherwise, I'd have a subpar PVP T3 that would just look silly on a km when it got popped.


or you go pro and fly armor because it's better anyways instead a scrubgu. also you live in the richest part of new eden, I think you will survive.

Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#11 - 2013-09-13 23:52:14 UTC
I have 3 different legion pvp fits, all of which use t2 trimarks. If I want to use legion for pve, I use a different legion with different rigs, just like with any other hull.Shocked

I will never (ever)((ever)) need to switch my rigs when swapping between pvp fits. Guess what I do need to switch? You got it: subs.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Winthorp
#12 - 2013-09-13 23:58:31 UTC
Under the possible T3 changes mentioned by CCP rig swapping was one of their suggestions but yeah that is no help unless they can fix the art asset issues to be able to swap subsystems at an SMA.

/T3 thread #363423
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#13 - 2013-09-14 00:48:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Witchway
Winthorp wrote:
Under the possible T3 changes mentioned by CCP rig swapping was one of their suggestions but yeah that is no help unless they can fix the art asset issues to be able to swap subsystems at an SMA.

/T3 thread #363423


which is why it missed the last expansion, and the last point update and now isn't even really mentioned, kind of like modular POS updates.

"it's too hard"

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#14 - 2013-09-14 02:45:36 UTC
Again, a good way out for rigs would be for them to go with the adequate subsystem. Remove the defense sub and the Trimarks/shield extenders stay with that sub, so you don't loose them.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-09-14 02:51:41 UTC
I'd rather have a motherfucking personal ship hangar before being able to change T3 subs

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#16 - 2013-09-14 03:20:39 UTC
No, I want your ships.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#17 - 2013-09-14 04:28:06 UTC
i'd rather ships still drop from SMAs and not be able to have a SD timer enabled once inside the shields but hey......

Official Shit Talking Captain, Bastard of Hard Knocks Inc.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-14 15:29:14 UTC
Fact is there are too many downsides to swapping subs, cost in isk and time. You start swapping subs which require module swaps and invariably you're going to go for a quick swap when there's pew and that one T2 whatever module you had in your hangar is gone because one of your friends really really needed it and it's on their ship right now. So you're wasting time trying to make your fit work.

I'd just rather have a specific T3. No BS required.

Don't ban me, bro!
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#19 - 2013-09-15 08:01:33 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Fact is there are too many downsides to swapping subs, cost in isk and time. You start swapping subs which require module swaps and invariably you're going to go for a quick swap when there's pew and that one T2 whatever module you had in your hangar is gone because one of your friends really really needed it and it's on their ship right now. So you're wasting time trying to make your fit work.

I'd just rather have a specific T3. No BS required.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If you are, bravo! If not, a thousand naughty phrases about your mother.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#20 - 2013-09-17 22:33:41 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Witchway wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Guys,

I keep seeing people requesting subsystem swapping be implemented, however looking at my T3 ships I don't have a single fit that I would be able to archieve just by being able to swap out the subsystems.

Rigs are most often different depending on the task and cannot be swapped out, so why do folks keep asking for this?


well of course you would have to change the modules as well, but you can already do that soooooo.....? how high are you?



Yes but rigs don't get swapped. Existing rigs are destroyed, new rigs go in. Everyone loves destroying 40mil rigs everytime they want to swap up their subsystems. How high are you?

Sub swapping is about as useful as destroying your T2 rigs on a daily basis several times a day in order to realize (haha) the flexibility of T3 sub swapping. The reality is that T3 flexibility of sub swapping can never be realized as long as rig mechanics require their destruction in order to change them.

I don't know about you but I don't usually fly a Tengu with 2 T2 CCC's in a PVP fit that I would in a PVE fit. Otherwise, I'd have a subpar PVP T3 that would just look silly on a km when it got popped.


Shield fit cloaky Loki, shield fit Loki for :becauseofPULSARS:

Could be the same ship, but it can' be because of subsystems.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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