EVE General Discussion

Because I'm a bit hungover and grumpy, lets have some fun.

They are not doing this to protect the foolish or gullible. Sure the foolish or gullible are getting protected by this, but it's the big and powerful who are the real beneficiaries and probably the real reason for the changes. Just put on the tinfoil and think about it for a sec. A small change in the wording of the TOS suddenly outlaws all renter scams that are done in another entities name and have been going on for years, precisely as all the large 0.0 power blocks move to a renter arrangement for income. Hmmmmmmmm.

Now i'm taking the tinfoil off and going to have some tea and Aleeve and hope this headache goes away.

I think at this point it's safe to assume that CCP has in fact deliberately changed the fundamental principles of their game.

It's not practical for me to withhold judgement on this any longer. CCP you are irrevocably changing your game for the worse.

Going silent, with the last official communication being the "final word" that now, apparently saying who my alts are is a bannable offence? You have to be ******* kidding me here.

Whatever happened to restoring the faith of the community? Whatever happened to the giant letter of apology last year (edit: holy crap it's been two years) that promised to not roll out game-breaking changes without player/csm/community representation?

I assume that letter was written in good faith at the time, I guess it's just not relevant to you any longer. Well, I'm pissed off.

You provided this promise, this vision of a universe. Remember atmospheric flight demos? Whatever happened to that CCP? The CCP that actually had a coherent vision of what their game was going to be...

...It seems now to have turned into "GMs Online" where the people who have to sort whining petitions all day are magically the same ones who get to direct game-changing policy.

Bad idea.

Bad ******* idea.

How long do you think we are going to keep arguing for the universe we have supported until we just say "**** it, they're not listening, I'll support a game where the developers don't just pretend to listen to player feedback". I'm just about there, but my problem is I still believe you. I honestly do believe this is not where you intend to take the game. It just doesn't make any sense to create an entire universe based around a principle, then to abandon that principle entirely, for whatever reason.

The cold, dark EVE, and those players responsible for making it that way, are the sole reason for your outstanding success with eve. Kick that out of the game and what do you have? A sub-par chaos ball simulation with a bunch of silly UIs tacked on top.

Please see reason, already.

Many of us are eagerly watching Star Citizen due to changes like this and the fact that CCP is literally bleeding their talent to Riot, Sony and others. Like you, I'm not at the giving-stuff-stage but this latest thing makes me wonder why I play this game and pay for the number of accounts that I do.

I play for a sandbox and a metagame. Space is only a beautiful backdrop. CCP has always claimed to embrace the metagame so I would like to think that this mess will eventually be reinterpreted to be more in line with the vision and the original business ideals.

That exact name? Probably, since it's a clear impersonation.
My two biggest problems are that a) they can ban people for admitting alts, even if they won't (then why have the rule in place?) and b) many of the scams, stories etc. that define EVE are now against the TOS and will get reversed. Moreover, to that last point, since the GM staff clarified that this change is not a change but simply a rewording, in other words the rule has always been like that, those pranks, scams, stories, changes, politics, metagames etc. etc. etc. would have been against the TOS if reported!

I don't see it as an enormous problem to ban making your name too visually alike (i and l, O and 0, stuff like that). I don't see a reason for a change if they just continue to say that people can try to fool you, but I don't see that change as problematic in itself.
This however is much more than that which makes me a sad panda (WHOOPS DID I MISREPRESENT MY SPECIES THERE?!?).

Player: Can I be banned for telling the truth?

GM Karidor: Yes.

^^ And this here is exactly why GMs should not be allowed to dictate policy.

Step 1. Fire all GMs who have never played EVE (and biomass their characters and erase any trace of them ingame/on forums).
Step 2. All GMs must have 2 years of EVE history where they have scammed, pirated, carebeared, etc. etc.
Step 3. Rejoice in rules THAT ACTUALLY MAKE ******* SENSE.

The GM interpretations I have seen thus far are appalling. Please, we want this escalated to someone more senior to reconsider this.

The change to not being able to impersonate groups or NPCs is a new change, and will only lead to abuse.

We have been told that the GM Karidor version of the clarification is the final word.
That he clarified the clarification again later must have been a mistake.

I know that they can back down on that promise, I sure hope they do, but we've been told that the rule has always been there and the clarifications we have got are the ones we'll have to settle for.

Since I have been away for some time can anyone tell me if this has anything to do with Soundwave leaving CCP?

In my opinion they are unrelated. However, Soundwave was the most vocal and visible proponent of the dystopian and ruthless sandbox. Him leaving is definitely not a good thing for the future of EVE.