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Crom Domison
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-09-12 04:52:47 UTC
Hey.

So in all my time of playing EvE (started in 2006, only actually been subbed for maybe 2 years of that...) I've done mainly PvE. The only PvP I've ever actually done is gang PvP with my corps.
So I've decided it's cool and fun to gang PvP but I want to learn to solo pvp, because I felt like I was just being carried doing gang stuff and I wasn't learning. It felt 'ingenuine' for me...

So I'm grabbing frigates and going to Faction Warfare places to fight, like Hysera etc.. The process of me finding stuff to fight goes something like this...

1 - Set route of waypoints in FW systems to bounce around in
2 - Choose a ship (this is hard for me, I'll explain after)
3 - when I get to system I'll check local to see how many of each militia / corp / alliance so I can see who is together, potentially
4 - warp to 100km from any complexes and D-scan inside of them. If there's a frig or something inside I check their ship name and decide whether to fight them or not. (I'm still not sure what exactly I can fight... because I just get raped by everything, atm)
5 - If no targets warp to next system, repeat from step 3

In fights I tend to try to D-scan to see if any of their buddies are coming in, but the fights rarely last long enough anyway.

The biggest problem for me I think is what ships to use...
I can fly Minmatar Frigates lvl 5 with T2 guns and T2 tank etc. Thermodynamics to lvl 3. I can't use boosters yet.

At the moment it just seems Minnie frigs aren't favored for this stuff, I tried to 1v1 an Atron in my Slasher earlier (tracking disruptor, orbit @ 500m and try to get under his guns?) and got my ass handed to me before I could get through his shields :P. I can fly Gallente Frigs lvl 4, but can't use T2 Hybrid turrets, my Small Hybrid turret skill is lvl 3... but when I fly Gallente ships (that seem to be favored) I still lose, because the other person is using T2 guns.
It seems the only kills I can get are on the farmers in cloaky ****-fits.

Has anyone had any luck with Minnie frigs doing this stuff? I'd try the Breacher but my missile skills are POOR
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#2 - 2013-09-12 05:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
Get 20 slashers. Fit them out and just get out after it. Learn something from every defeat. For example - was the atron blaster or rail fit? Did it have a TD? Did it web you? You mentioned you didn't break it's shields so if there was no web and he was blaster fit then he also likely had an MSE for a tank.... An opponent like that you should web, TD, and keep at 5km

Notice the details when you die. Fit up opponents fits in EFT (guess at first) and try to learn what their damage projection and tank looks like. If you were using a TD with tracking disruption and he was blaster fit for example - you probably would have been better off using a range disruption script and staying out around 5km...
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-12 05:13:53 UTC
Crom Domison wrote:
Hey.

So in all my time of playing EvE (started in 2006, only actually been subbed for maybe 2 years of that...) I've done mainly PvE. The only PvP I've ever actually done is gang PvP with my corps.
So I've decided it's cool and fun to gang PvP but I want to learn to solo pvp, because I felt like I was just being carried doing gang stuff and I wasn't learning. It felt 'ingenuine' for me...

So I'm grabbing frigates and going to Faction Warfare places to fight, like Hysera etc.. The process of me finding stuff to fight goes something like this...

1 - Set route of waypoints in FW systems to bounce around in
2 - Choose a ship (this is hard for me, I'll explain after)
3 - when I get to system I'll check local to see how many of each militia / corp / alliance so I can see who is together, potentially
4 - warp to 100km from any complexes and D-scan inside of them. If there's a frig or something inside I check their ship name and decide whether to fight them or not. (I'm still not sure what exactly I can fight... because I just get raped by everything, atm)
5 - If no targets warp to next system, repeat from step 3

In fights I tend to try to D-scan to see if any of their buddies are coming in, but the fights rarely last long enough anyway.

The biggest problem for me I think is what ships to use...
I can fly Minmatar Frigates lvl 5 with T2 guns and T2 tank etc. Thermodynamics to lvl 3. I can't use boosters yet.

At the moment it just seems Minnie frigs aren't favored for this stuff, I tried to 1v1 an Atron in my Slasher earlier (tracking disruptor, orbit @ 500m and try to get under his guns?) and got my ass handed to me before I could get through his shields :P. I can fly Gallente Frigs lvl 4, but can't use T2 Hybrid turrets, my Small Hybrid turret skill is lvl 3... but when I fly Gallente ships (that seem to be favored) I still lose, because the other person is using T2 guns.
It seems the only kills I can get are on the farmers in cloaky ****-fits.

Has anyone had any luck with Minnie frigs doing this stuff? I'd try the Breacher but my missile skills are POOR


You just need more practice. Getting under blasters even with a TD isn't always successful. The better tactic would have been to TD for optimal range, use barrage and scram kite him.

Like I said, it's just practice, and it takes a long time before it pays off, but it's really rewarding when it does.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#4 - 2013-09-12 09:44:05 UTC
As above. FRAPS the fights and review afterwards. If you're anything like me you'll be making totally stupid mistakes (oh, forgot to launch drones again...)

If you still can't figure it out post them here and people will be happy to advise.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Fr00b Snap
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-09-12 09:50:03 UTC
You don`t need to warp to 100km to plex to know if there is someone. If plex is within dscan range from the gate you came from, then just use camera tracking and set angle to 5 degrees. Otherwise just warp to planet that is in dscan range from plex and use dscan at 5 degrees with camera tracking on.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-09-12 11:18:33 UTC
Don't warp at 100, warp at 0, if it turns out there is someone outside of it that you can't fight, just activate the plex.

For some reason its impossible to stop someone who has activated a plex gate so you will always get away. All in all, be less careful.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#7 - 2013-09-12 14:30:54 UTC
Don't warp at 0, you run the risk of getting stuck on the gate. When it is time to warp to the plex and go in warp at 10 (you will be in activation range and you won't get stuck on the gate).

JUSTK is recruiting
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#8 - 2013-09-12 16:11:47 UTC
http://themittani.com/features/new-eden-solo

Great article written by an amazing solo pvper. Not exactly a guide per say, but has useful information.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2013-09-12 16:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Phaade
Don't ever, ever, ever, use a tracking script in a TD against small close range weapons. Ever. It does nothing.

EDIT: I learned that the very hard way Shocked
Crom Domison
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-09-12 17:06:46 UTC
Whats the best Minnie frigate for this?

How does the Rifter fare nowadays?
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#11 - 2013-09-12 18:03:01 UTC
Crom Domison wrote:
Whats the best Minnie frigate for this?

How does the Rifter fare nowadays?

Slasher is pretty awesome, the Breacher is great too. Both are considered better than the Rifter now. On the other hand, people are more likely to engage Rifters these days. Just try different ships and see what you like.

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Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-12 21:06:10 UTC
For solo combat, don't worry about boosters/drugs.

You should have enough skills to start getting kills so it's not a SP problem, it's a skill problem. Just fit 10 slashers and go fight. Preferably, fight everything you see until you know why you shouldn't take the fight.
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-09-12 22:11:17 UTC
Good Sir;

Just put two stabs on your rifter. Fight for a bit then warp away. You don't need a point since they will come after you. and the short range is what you want anyway.

Once you get bored of this (I never do) move on to the next phase.

your humble servent
SeaSaw
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-09-13 01:47:39 UTC
There are lost of articles and you tube vids that can help you out, some below. There are also chat channels where you can get help.. bringingsoloback.. or something like that, just google it.

http://www.evealtruist.com/search/label/know%20your%20enemy

http://www.rifterdrifter.com

look under the my eve section on the forums some good content there. kil2, kovorix, garmin, Pleniers, Clahim, zaqq are some players you can google too as they give running commentary.. sure there are lots more...
Forum Mcforum
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-09-13 12:09:44 UTC
ok im a little confused

why does the faction warfare system make a difference, can you fight anyone there?

concord etc?
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#16 - 2013-09-13 13:03:58 UTC
SeaSaw wrote:
Good Sir;

Just put two stabs on your rifter. Fight for a bit then warp away. You don't need a point since they will come after you. and the short range is what you want anyway.

Once you get bored of this (I never do) move on to the next phase.

your humble servent
SeaSaw


Not sure if trolling.

If not, then this is bad advice. Putting two stabs on a Rifter would gimp it so badly that anyone you win against has to be incredibly bad. Without two stabs, you would have won sooner against these horribly bad pilots/fits. After those, all you are left with are the second and third possible outcomes: 1. You die so fast you can't even warp in time, even with the stabs. 2. You lose, but manage to limp off the field on fire.

This does not sound fun to me.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#17 - 2013-09-13 14:01:58 UTC
It's seasaw, an FW plex farmer. My bio tells you how stupid this man can be.

I pointed his pod for 45 minutes after I blew his ecm merlin up with a dual scram rifter. he didn't know to SD his pod. I called in approximately 10-15 friends and we all had a merry-go-round his pod. I get a 500mill bounty and the only reason we bailed was a fleet turned up to scare us terrible pvpers off.

I literally can't tell you how much I love to chase this guy, I'll drop most things to do so. I don't see him round my neck of the woods much these days unfortunately :(
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-09-13 15:07:56 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Don't warp at 0, you run the risk of getting stuck on the gate. When it is time to warp to the plex and go in warp at 10 (you will be in activation range and you won't get stuck on the gate).


Ehh.. has happened to me once in a year.

But this also depends on what kind of ship you are flying. If you are using a scram kiter you want 10 but a close up brawler you probably want 0.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#19 - 2013-09-14 15:33:17 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
But this also depends on what kind of ship you are flying. If you are using a scram kiter you want 10 but a close up brawler you probably want 0.



Unless you know that everyone else warps at 10 -- then, of course, these numbers are reversed.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-09-14 22:24:19 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
But this also depends on what kind of ship you are flying. If you are using a scram kiter you want 10 but a close up brawler you probably want 0.



Unless you know that everyone else warps at 10 -- then, of course, these numbers are reversed.

Nope, then someone warping at 10 from the other side twice as far away.

Its all very arbitrary. Warping at 10 is safer, i do it a lot of the time.

Its just not required.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

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