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Gallente Battleship Low-Sec "Solo"

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KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-09-08 14:14:19 UTC  |  Edited by: KFenn
Quinilan wrote:
. Do the larger ships just not have a place in solo PvP?


Some do, some don't. With the way the game is currently balanced and the emergence of blob culture for a ship to be truly viable it needs an escape mechanism. Sure, killing everything that attacks you is technically one but it's very easy for people to bring more ships than you can handle. The only only larger ships that are considered viable are Battlecrusiers and down (as they're still fairly speedy/agile) and Battleships that nano well (and even those are only really on the absolute cusp of being viable). Machariels, Tempests are the prime examples of this, as they have good range, good damage, and the best-in-class for speed.

Don't get me wrong, the Hyperion and the like are viable solo, but you need to be very careful when engaging. Making sure who you're trying to kill doesn't have friends anywhere close, and if he does making sure that you can engage him and his friends and likely win - information like this is the key to making the ship work. If you can find say a lone Battleship or Battlecruiser then the Hype can almost definitely kill it, as those things are mean 1v1 or even 1v2-3 if your skills are leet and you're using boosters/faction implants/shiny modules.

The real way to make this work is to pick and choose fights very carefully. Don't engage heavy neuting ships, don't engage in a hot system, don't engage someone who can blob you very quickly. Problem is, finding a target than fulfils these requirements is rarer and rarer these days :(.

Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#22 - 2011-09-08 15:38:07 UTC
If you want to solo in a Gal BS the Dominix is really the only choice.

Dual Rep with medium guns ; blasters , pulses and ACs all work well. I prefer the latter 2 myself.

Also pack an exile booster, it can be loads of fun Big smile

nom nom

mitch3190
NZRAF
NZAU Alliance
#23 - 2011-09-09 02:07:57 UTC
I would not waste my money buying a hyp when the domi hull is under 50 mil and out preforms it lol. Although i do prefer the mega for fleets.

The domi fit i posted tank was tested last night when i had me friend in a vindy shoot it and he could not break me (03 player with max gunnery skills battleship 5 and 1600dps with drones Twisted)

Destructor1792
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-09-09 11:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Destructor1792
Two Things:

Don't Fly what you can't afford to Lose.... &

Solo BS's floating around Lowsec will attract a blob so prepared to be Ganked.. Often!!!


Seriously though, Stick to a BC or smaller. You'll just end up getting frustrated in anything Larger for Solo Fun Cry

Not fired a shot in anger since 2011.... Trigger finger is starting to get somewhat itchy.......

Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2011-09-09 21:10:09 UTC
As a gallants bs pilot with perfectly trained skills (even have marauders 5) there is no I win solo fitting especially when flying gallente. Gallente at the moment are situational in fights at best especially when dealing with battleship size hulls. The domi is overall the most versatile and seems to be the choice of many pilots simply due to its variety of fittings it can boast as well as it's ability to adapt in todays eve.

That being said if you want to fly a true solo gallente ship it has to be the mega. Sorry but im biased simply because I love the ship and know how to fly her. I personally fly a dual rep mega with ions or the typical neutron plate mega. However a word of caution again.

These ships are not I win buttons. They are perfect for their roles yet very limited. Of you want a solo ship is advise a bricked ham or heavy missile drake. Their a blast to fly and a ***** to kill.



IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#26 - 2011-09-10 00:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Cpt Fina wrote:
The Kessah-domi is a beast for fights on gates and stations. Highly recommended.

If you want to see what it can do then check out the "Forever Pirate"-videos.


While the Kessah domi is fantastic I typically swap the highs for 425mm ACs. Reasoning behind this is, greater options with range, I know typically you will be up close but in the time to get there ACs make up some extra damage. ACs are also capless, I know you are boosting heavily but when you are being neuted you can focus on timing your boosters and reps and not have to reactivate guns. Third reason behind this is the damage selection, the largely thermal hybrid damage will often clash with your drones so its nice to be able to mix it up with some EM or explosive.

Also add a legion alt, before legion the domi will be tanking 1200 DPS, with implants and exile. With legion you are looking at 2200 DPS, you can also add a skirmish link to help extend your tackle for easier catches.

As others have said the other gallente BS really aren't worth looking at for solo, the hyperion is arguably one of the worst BS ingame and the domi is easily one of the best for solo, the other main contender being the 'phoon.
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#27 - 2011-09-10 11:17:32 UTC
Echoing what was said above, fitting 425 ac's instead of neutron blasters on Kessah domi lets you add a little damage type selection, has pretty similar damage when considering range and they don't use cap. It also allows you to fit a large smartbomb to kill the always present ecm drone swarm in a few cycles (need to downgrade a cap booster to meta 4 iirc).
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-09-10 19:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Fina
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Cpt Fina wrote:
The Kessah-domi is a beast for fights on gates and stations. Highly recommended.

If you want to see what it can do then check out the "Forever Pirate"-videos.


While the Kessah domi is fantastic I typically swap the highs for 425mm ACs. Reasoning behind this is, greater options with range, I know typically you will be up close but in the time to get there ACs make up some extra damage. ACs are also capless, I know you are boosting heavily but when you are being neuted you can focus on timing your boosters and reps and not have to reactivate guns. Third reason behind this is the damage selection, the largely thermal hybrid damage will often clash with your drones so its nice to be able to mix it up with some EM or explosive.

Also add a legion alt, before legion the domi will be tanking 1200 DPS, with implants and exile. With legion you are looking at 2200 DPS, you can also add a skirmish link to help extend your tackle for easier catches.

As others have said the other gallente BS really aren't worth looking at for solo, the hyperion is arguably one of the worst BS ingame and the domi is easily one of the best for solo, the other main contender being the 'phoon.



The lower dps of the ACs but their increased ability to deal said dps sounds great in theory... and in most cases in Eve this is probably true, but for these kinds of fights i'd rather have the extra dps at very close range.

I would prefer neutrons just be the simple fact of what kind of situations that this setup is meant to fight in. From my experience, when you bust camps and small gangs in the kessah domi, people will be approaching you carelessly thinking that this will be a swift and easy kill – range haven't been a problem for me so far. Fights also often happen in compact spaces - like warping in on people hugging a gate or undocking on people camping you in station.

And considering that you are likely to engage 1 v many then it becomes very important to dish out the maximum amount of damage as fast as possible to either 1) decrease the maximum estimated damage by killing off their ships fast or/and 2) getting a psycologichal advantage by scoring a few fast kills with a tank that wont break. Remember, you are working under the clock of your dual injectors eating away your booster supplies and more often than not - before you burn out your tank.

In a nutshell - when the layout of the battlefield are factored into the stats Blasters have an advantage over ACs

Edit: Not saying that ACs are wrong, just that in my opinion the added versatility of ACs don't make up for the explosiveness of blasters.Big smile
Quinilan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-09-11 20:47:35 UTC
So after living in denial about this, I finally plugged the Kessah Dominix into my favorite fitting calculator, and what do I find? Much to my horror the flying space turd is getting within 30ehp/s tank of the highest tanking T2 Hyperion. Even worse it's getting close to the same damage! All this without the range and damage projection issues of blasters (with the majority of your damage being drones).

The horror!

In fairness, any discussion about Gallente battleships would need to include the Dominix, but I expected it to hold ground as a second rate citizen... Now I plead to all Gallente loyalists - redeem our battleship lineup, show me somewhere the Hyperion and Megathron can excel in solo PVP!
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-09-12 05:12:52 UTC
Quinilan wrote:

In fairness, any discussion about Gallente battleships would need to include the Dominix, but I expected it to hold ground as a second rate citizen... Now I plead to all Gallente loyalists - redeem our battleship lineup, show me somewhere the Hyperion and Megathron can excel in solo PVP!


Just as I recommended the forever pirates videos to realize the awsomeness of the kessah domi – I now wish I could direct you Farjung's wave of mutilation video when you ask about the Megathron.

But people say that the years have taken a greater toll on the mega compared to the domi for solo pvp and even tho I'm not nearly as experienced flying the mega, it certainly looks like that's true. I know that some fly it with some success tho. Consider stepping out of the the mental prison that some ppl are confined to when fitting the mega. For example: Dual rep with dual large injects over web or double plated with single rep.

But does the megathron excell as a soloship compared to other hulls? I lack the experience to express myself in that matter - I can only recommend that you check up on where the advice you are taken are coming from.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#31 - 2011-09-12 12:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Quinilan wrote:
In fairness, any discussion about Gallente battleships would need to include the Dominix, but I expected it to hold ground as a second rate citizen... Now I plead to all Gallente loyalists - redeem our battleship lineup, show me somewhere the Hyperion and Megathron can excel in solo PVP!


The megathron is still a great ship, hybrids still hinder it a bit especially for gang use but the hull is solid, I'd even go so far to say that it is a better solo ship than the hype. Again Forever Pirate Final shows it used to great effect.

The domi is by far my favourite and objectively the most versatile. Good hull + good weapons

The mega is still alright, even despite hybrids being awful (bar smalls) Good hull - bad weapon system

The Hype is hindered by fitting, outclassed by the domi and maelstrom and suffers non-tracking-bonused hybrids - bad hull - bad weapon system - no utility.

Pretty much all the battleships in eve have a unique role, the only one the hyperion does better than the rest is shield gank, which is hugely limited.

Geddon - Best POS bash
Apoc - best sniper / midrange
Baddon - best armour-alpha, best fleet, overall win

Scorp - survivable ECM
Raven - missions, torp boat
rohk - shield fleet neuting platform, sniper it were viable

'Phoon - armour raven with more neuts, solo
Tempest - suicide gank / alpha
Mael - massive active tank / shield alpha

Domi - versatile, RR, solo
Mega - good fleet boat if hybrids worked, excellent 0km ganker
Hype - massive dps shield gank


Sorry for diverging, as for a solo pvp, hybrid ship I would say work from something like this I know 'OMG battleclinic' but its honestly a fair place to start from then you tweak it to do what you want.

You can't really dual rep the mega as you'd need 2 cap boosters and then you lose the web, which blasters really need, you could think about swapping the neut for a nos for longer cap life, but having a heavy neut is almost essential solo.

You'd be better of with a domi / isktar still unless you are fighting under sentry guns.
Ben Dourion
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-09-12 15:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ben Dourion
Dont use an hyperion or mega solo in low sec, you wil get ganked to death, go for a triple rep myrmidon with 2 cap injectors and T2 medium ACs.

It have an excellent survavibility and does decent dps even with Acs

Mega is an excellent ship for small gangs, even better if you haveRR support.
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-09-13 00:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Demon Azrakel
Use Garmon's Vindi. Bit expensive, sure, but it performs rather well (with boosting alt, extra cap boosters from transport ship alt, falcon alt in case you see neutralizers, etc.). Also, these days, I would suggest 5-8 Nyx alts to counter the 1-4 Nyxs you will have dropped on you by PL.

Alternatively, use above advice and a Kronos, just hope they have no ECM Drones / Falcons / Rooks / Blackbirds / Griffins / Widows / Scorpions / a Gallente Jammer on any ship / any jammer on any ship / a solar flare / EMP ammo / etc.

EDIT: Forgot the alt(s) with cynos.
Aessaya
Independent treasure hunters
#34 - 2011-09-13 02:24:11 UTC
Best solo ship is the one with a cyno and a fleet waiting on a titan!

Also remember this: There is no solo PVP in EVE. And if you find something that resembles solo pvp, it's an illusion. EVE is an MMO, so use it to your advantage, or someone else will use it to theirs (and against you).

Ah, you seek meaning? Then listen to the music, not the song.

Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#35 - 2011-09-13 09:36:17 UTC
Aessaya wrote:
Best solo ship is the one with a cyno and a fleet waiting on a titan!

Also remember this: There is no solo PVP in EVE. And if you find something that resembles solo pvp, it's an illusion. EVE is an MMO, so use it to your advantage, or someone else will use it to theirs (and against you).


Rooks & Kings, not surprised about your attitude. Smile

There's actually a fair few solo PvPers in Eve, and PvPP is even better. Just don't complain about getting blobbed. Roll

Again, I recommend the Dominix for a Gallente solo BS - the ECM proof DPS nature of it (drones), as well as it's extra utility will prove invaluable.
Pleniers
Appetite 4 Destruction
#36 - 2011-09-26 18:54:26 UTC
Ok, the "Kessah Domi" caught my attention.

Concerning Drugs I probably need biology and nanite control as high as I can, or at least lvl 4...

As for moving 3 or 4 drug boosters on hi-sec, with me or my hauling alt, what is the chance of being caught by npc police? If high, what to I need to train to move small quantities around?

In the implant department, what you guys recommend? The "Zet" series I suppose?

Also I would not mind to set up a small temporary pos on a set bait system to put there a AFK alt/mate with gang links modules. Any recomendation on a fit for a BC or T3, other than having the proper gang module and skills?

Noticed than on the "Forever Pirate" Videos, Kessah would have containers and even haulers following him with cap boosters. Did nobody remembered to shoot the cans or the hauler? Lol

Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-09-26 21:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Fina
Pleniers wrote:

Noticed than on the "Forever Pirate" Videos, Kessah would have containers and even haulers following him with cap boosters. Did nobody remembered to shoot the cans or the hauler? Lol




It's easy to lol at that in retrospect but before you do you better ask yourself if you would have 1) the balls to give the unconventional order of switching primary from the single BS that is killing your gangmembers to a hauler and 2) have the experience and situational awareness to recognize, in time, that this isn't some random hauler just passing by.

When it comes to implants I would imagine that alot of people would recommend the standard active tanking hardwirings plus an incomplete slave-set. I would personally recommend an incomplete spur-set instead. The reason for this is the frequency of ECM and ECM-drones .
Pleniers
Appetite 4 Destruction
#38 - 2011-09-26 23:41:17 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Pleniers wrote:

Noticed than on the "Forever Pirate" Videos, Kessah would have containers and even haulers following him with cap boosters. Did nobody remembered to shoot the cans or the hauler? Lol




It's easy to lol at that in retrospect but before you do you better ask yourself if you would have 1) the balls to give the unconventional order of switching primary from the single BS that is killing your gangmembers to a hauler and 2) have the experience and situational awareness to recognize, in time, that this isn't some random hauler just passing by.




Oh, don't get me wrong! I'm not "loling" at the "target calling" from the kessah dominix foe. I just think the idea just so plain simple and effective that make it so brilliant. Specially because, like you said, cans and haulers are probalby not the priority.

Thks for the tip on implants
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-09-27 00:14:05 UTC
I, too, enjoy soloing with gang boosters, Falcons, logistics, tacklers and a SC blob ready to hotdrop at a moment's notice.


Also, battleships will make solo a bit difficult. Expect to only get fights where the other guy thinks he's going to win. You're not going to get the jump on anyone.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#40 - 2011-09-28 09:55:06 UTC
Regarding the Hype;

You should only need 1 cap booster. Fit a 2nd Web.
You should also consider removing a gun for a heavy neut - this will help in a lot more situations than 1/8th more damage.
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