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"You don't quote much Scripture..."

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2013-09-13 00:42:03 UTC
This might be a long one, but it's very important.

I really enjoy speaking with all of you here in these general posts. Some of you have even done me the honor of speaking to me in private. I've had quite a few questions about the Amarr faith lately, but one of the comments stuck out at me. After quite a bit of explanation about the role of servitude, how we view the Empire's defeat at the hands of the Jovian, the breakaway of the Matari, and so on, my companion in this conversation asked me why I never quote any of the Scriptures. Apparently, he thought I didn't actually know any. In fact, I had a long education in Scriptural doctrine at school. The House of Baracca fields hundreds of high-ranking clergy. I learned Scripture from a very young age and still read and study it today. It forms the foundation of our religion and I would be a very different man without it.

It seems strange when compared to other religions that those of us who preach the Word very rarely start actively reciting Scripture. There are really only a handful of phrases in common lexicon, mostly quoted by people who don't know much about the tendons and bones of our religion. Since this is a fairly common question, I've decided to line up some answers. Maybe it will explain a bit more about us as a people.

So why don't I quote much Scripture in my ministry?

The first and most obvious answer is that the passages are nearly indecipherable without context. The Scriptures are, essentially, anything our Theology Council deems religiously significant from our history. There are millions (at my last count) pieces of Scripture in the Theology Council's many libraries. Some theologians will study for centuries and will only be able to claim that they are a specialist in some particular field. It is truly a religion that only an entire Empire can teach. It is a huge industry. Whole teams of archaeologists spend their entire lives reaching deep into ancient ruins to try to recover some piece of period pottery. Then another team of theorists and theologists will look over the pottery and translate the text or decipher the images on it. Then a team of historians will look at it all in context, to see if it relates to any of the other millions of pieces of Scripture they have. It will then be assigned a place in the library and will be officially sanctioned.

In essence, If you get a piece of lone Scripture, you really don't necessarily understand the context it is written in. The Book of Missions is actually a compendium of individual stories, compiled over almost a millenium. It is noteworthy because it was such a complete text from its time, giving us the complete versions of stories we only had pieces of before. However, there are references in them to events and documents of the time we have only fragments of, if we have them at all.

Essentially, if you quote a line or passage, you're talking about a bit of an entire story in an entire book from a completely different era of history. Whole passages have different meanings as you delve further into the history.

At the same time, the opposite is also true. If you need to know what the Scriptures say, there is such a thing as too much information. Imagine if your child asked you what "stealing" was, and you read aloud from your particular empire's legal codex on property. It isn't often necessary to know precisely where God says you should always work hard for slothfulness is sin, it's only important to know not to sit on your couch and let your servants do everything for you. It isn't necessary to read every single story that directly states or implies that particular piece of information.

On a similar note, the third reason is that part of the context is cultural. As an example, the line I'm most questioned on from the Scriptures by non-members is:

"Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin." Book I, Code of Demeanor

The usual response to this is, "That doesn't make a bit of sense! How does 'pure' thought instigate sin?" And if I'd written it myself last week, you'd probably be right. To understand the wording here, you have to know some things about ancient Amarrian history, culture, and language.

Our people spoke a different language when the first books were written. They didn't have as many words; everything depended on context. There was one word, "reducus" which was an adjective that roughly meant, "a thing which is now alone but was not." So a calius reducus is the last cup left after all the others are gone and aquos reducos is pure water. Eventually, we did derive a word more contemporaneously associated with "pure". But because purity had been derived from solitude, not uniformity, the word "purity" is not necessarily looked on positively in early Scriptures.

Amarrian culture still does not think that thinking on your own and having your own ideas is a good thing. You need to bring them forward for peer review. Peer review is a huge part of our culture, and forms the basis for traditions like confession and scientific review. Believing in something you don't bring to others for their expertise is foolhardy and can lead you to develop wrong ideas that you never have corrected. Imagine if you thought that consuming butterflies aided digestion and never thought to listen to the opinions of doctors or gastric scientists.

All that because the word "pure" had a different connotation in ancient Amarrian.

Once you know that, it's fairly obvious and somewhat boring that the line is a warning against coming up with your own ideas without consulting anyone else. Whatever you think of that part of our culture, it is an important part of who we are and tends to iron out the people who think you can drink the soul through the eyes during a booster trip (usually). To get to know that, you need to do much more research.

(continued)

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-09-13 00:42:28 UTC
So you might be wondering how, if Scripture is so difficult, that we ever manage to teach the religion in the first place. This, I can say, is an area I specialized in. I essentially taught religion for years as a bishop on Amarr Prime before heading into the wild black yonder to bring the Word to the rest of the cluster.

For starters, you cannot teach the Amarrian religion through reciting Scripture. Even Amarrians who are raised from ages three and four reading Scripture don’t actually learn the religion that way. We learn it much more organically. Stories in the Scriptures can go on for pages and pages, but can often be boiled down to, “Pride blinds you to your own sins,” or “Anger is more harmful to you than the people you’re angry at.” Scriptural recitation isn’t as useful as just explaining real-life situations as to why these truths are truths.

So why is reading Scripture important, even for (and especially for) the servant classes? When you read Scripture alone, you are constantly being confused by a swirl of information that, in the end, you still do not have enough of to reach a proper moral conclusion. In that, the Scriptures really do preach the Amarrian ideal just in the way they are researched. Your stereotypical slave harvesting wheat in the field may read Scripture once a week and report to his school class what bit of information he has gleaned. He may come to understand our religion by ministry and be released as a freedman, but he will never stop reading Scripture. He will never read it all, but together, he and his fellow congregants will come to read and understand a larger part. He becomes an expert on what he reads. In a way, we all do our part to understanding the lessons of the Scriptures.

It can truly only be learned and understood by all of us. Together. As one.

In a way, the Scriptures may be the best way to truly understand our culture not because of what they say, but how we read them.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-13 01:35:16 UTC
Well written and very informative! I'm not much of a believer, but I do enjoy reading your religion's scriptures as the overall teaching can be quite nice.

Though a question regarding peer review. Couldn't relying on "experts" to help you decide if your thinking is on the right track also cause stagnation? I'd imagine it would do a good job at making sure you don't make any steps backward, but I feel that it would be difficult to progress forward.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2013-09-13 01:58:21 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Well written and very informative! I'm not much of a believer, but I do enjoy reading your religion's scriptures as the overall teaching can be quite nice.

Though a question regarding peer review. Couldn't relying on "experts" to help you decide if your thinking is on the right track also cause stagnation? I'd imagine it would do a good job at making sure you don't make any steps backward, but I feel that it would be difficult to progress forward.


I think, in the end, it does sometimes slow things down. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It does mean that sometimes a great new idea takes a long time to work its way into the system. On the other hand, we can generally be assured it is a good idea when we do accept it. The problem with human history is that we have a thousand bad ideas and one bright spot of light. Peer review is our way of making sure we have a bright spot on our hands.

A lot of things that people associate with us are born out of very practical responses to things in our history that still work better than everything else we've tried.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-13 02:48:30 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


I think, in the end, it does sometimes slow things down. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It does mean that sometimes a great new idea takes a long time to work its way into the system. On the other hand, we can generally be assured it is a good idea when we do accept it. The problem with human history is that we have a thousand bad ideas and one bright spot of light. Peer review is our way of making sure we have a bright spot on our hands.

A lot of things that people associate with us are born out of very practical responses to things in our history that still work better than everything else we've tried.


Sounds good to me, but this begs another question. What if peer review causes that one bright spot of light to be overlooked? An example of this can be seen in the Amarr's early refusal of pod technology. They clearly learned from that mistake but that just goes to show peer review has failed before. A lot of great ideas require a risk, things that nobody would possibly believe to work have wound up changing history before.

I suppose these experts don't make mistakes often, especially considering it's multiple people. Also, I guess you could argue that they are just as likely to accept a bad idea as they are to reject a good one making my argument rather moot, but food for thought I guess.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-09-13 03:41:28 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:


I think, in the end, it does sometimes slow things down. That's not necessarily a bad thing. It does mean that sometimes a great new idea takes a long time to work its way into the system. On the other hand, we can generally be assured it is a good idea when we do accept it. The problem with human history is that we have a thousand bad ideas and one bright spot of light. Peer review is our way of making sure we have a bright spot on our hands.

A lot of things that people associate with us are born out of very practical responses to things in our history that still work better than everything else we've tried.


Sounds good to me, but this begs another question. What if peer review causes that one bright spot of light to be overlooked? An example of this can be seen in the Amarr's early refusal of pod technology. They clearly learned from that mistake but that just goes to show peer review has failed before. A lot of great ideas require a risk, things that nobody would possibly believe to work have wound up changing history before.

I suppose these experts don't make mistakes often, especially considering it's multiple people. Also, I guess you could argue that they are just as likely to accept a bad idea as they are to reject a good one making my argument rather moot, but food for thought I guess.


Pod technology was extremely controversial at the time, and I can't say I blame the Empire for their skepticism. There are religious arguments for it concerning the soul and cloning that are still raging. It's one of the reasons why the Amarr are still very wary of cloning technology. Having one person with your consciousness floating around between bodies might be a little weird, but the idea of what happens if someone copies you and makes two of you really stretches things.

My own personal experience with pod technology has been good. I think, in the end, it's allowed me to take risks in my ministry I would not have been able to take before. But I can easily see why the root technology behind cloning and brain copying is dangerous. In the end, it means you can stamp out human life in a factory, making copies of someone over and over. It is really turning human life into a commodity, a sin that was just judged upon the Amarr Empire not long ago in spectacular fashion. That is without considering the religious issue. If a man dies, but another version of him is walking around with different life experiences, is he held in an endless limbo? Are there two of him? Are there two souls? Are we finally committing the sin of the Jovians and dipping our fingers too far into the paints of creation? Do we risk our race, the cluster, and the entire universe by crudely cutting the strands of the tapestry of God?

No idea. It just seems like a technology that would be easy to abuse, so it's better not to be too enthusiastic about it and be very careful how we apply it. I do have to trust that my people weigh the risks and rewards of it all without making a doomed decision about what precisely a human life is.

I also worry about what will happen to those of us in pods. Plenty never leave them and will go for long stretches without experiencing human contact. I've noticed a disturbing trend towards sociopathy, sort of the same symptoms I see when someone is using slaves to do too much and forgetting the value of their own work. It's a sort of dissociation from life, a way of seeing the universe as a distant object we inhabit like a room instead of a living, breathing thing we are a small, but significant, part of. Perhaps in seeking to escape the dangers of our professions, we've simply become too much like the machines we rely on.

It's become a sort of in-joke that we pod people "became" starships. I don't think it's much of a joke sometimes. I do worry about what will happen the day that we simply become organic computer processors for spaceships. That will be the day we stop valuing our lives and living every day meaningfully, the day we lose the urgency of life because we will no longer understand its fragility.

We will have lost something very dear to humanity if that day ever comes.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Confliktus
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-13 09:40:31 UTC
Father Baracca would you be interested in sharing a bit more of your insight with us? I am for the first time genuinely interested in learning a bit more about the good Book and the Amarrian ways.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-09-13 12:19:18 UTC
Confliktus wrote:
Father Baracca would you be interested in sharing a bit more of your insight with us? I am for the first time genuinely interested in learning a bit more about the good Book and the Amarrian ways.


Of course! It is my day job. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. I try to answer questions about the faith here on IGS, but I also field private questions and confessions.

I may be able to add to this if I see something else I'd like to share, but I certainly don't mind answering questions about the nature of the Lord's work here if you post a question.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-09-13 15:06:35 UTC
Perhaps because your Scriptures are false?

Bent to the whims of the Theology Council to serve your government.


In any case you are no Archbishop.

That man at least had a gift for weaving a decent tale through his awful sermons.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#10 - 2013-09-13 15:24:49 UTC
I don't agree with any of your beliefs but, at least you try to be non-confrontational in your presentation. Your fellow imperials could learn a lot from your approach.

It's too bad your people insist on the Amarr superiority/Reclaiming stuff. Otherwise we could just agree to disagree on the nature of existence and live our lives in relative peace.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Matar Ronin
#11 - 2013-09-13 16:23:22 UTC
"The filth and lies of the slavery cultists compiled over thousands of years will be scorched clean by the flame of L.O.V.E., evil is not religion, it is the opposite, enforced by fear, violence, drug addiction, and class barriers it seeks to continue it's indecipherable interplanetary industry of foul inequity cloaked in semantic claptrap ceremoniously propagated by robed pedophiles and prostitutes."

"They will speak of their history and point to their relics of antiquity with ignorant devotion, but those writings and artifacts are simply the grime of sin that has accumulated from their thousands of years of wallowing in the hate filled pits of injustice and lustful predation that defines their culture and has clutched their very souls. Fear not, even long lasting grime will not withstand the righteous fury of the faithful, it will be cleansed from existence, and will pass away like a foul odor blown by the winds of history. Oh humanity answer the call of dutiful devotion to the church of the one true God on this day reestablished to save the souls of New Eden, by spreading far and wide the force of L.O.V.E.."


Thus spoke the Emissary of the One True God.
Ray-Of Matar
Taken from the "Edge Of The Abyss" sermon at the opening celebration of the Church Of Victorious Eradication, C.O.V.E.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-09-13 22:02:48 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I don't agree with any of your beliefs but, at least you try to be non-confrontational in your presentation. Your fellow imperials could learn a lot from your approach.

It's too bad your people insist on the Amarr superiority/Reclaiming stuff. Otherwise we could just agree to disagree on the nature of existence and live our lives in relative peace.


I think, to be fair to my Empire, it isn't that we're more belligerent or arrogant than anyone else. That seems to be a fairly common chord throughout the cluster.

We are a much more internalized government than I think most people realize. I wouldn't necessarily call us insular, but something remarkably close for a major superpower. The only people you will likely ever meet from the Empire are the kinds of people who regularly leave our space. Not usually the most tolerant people from our corner of the cluster.

It's a bit like when we think of the Matari as being violent. The opposite is probably true, but you aren't likely to meet live-and-let-live Matari in capsules or flying destroyers.

I think it is mostly an issue of perception. Since the only Amarrians you've ever probably met are either soldiers or the kind of cold businessmen that survive the business climate of open space, it probably does seem like all we want to do is take over the cluster by force and have you all mining salt from an asteroid.

Always wonder whether you're seeing the entire picture. At the very least, remember all the times someone from your home empire said something so stereotypically repugnant that you wanted to slam your head through a wall before politely telling them that they aren't really helping the situation.

That's why I never hold the views of extremists against any people. I go to their space and ask around. For the most part, the lower 90% of society don't care much about who conquers which part of the cluster. They mostly just want to know that they aren't going to end up starving to death.

Everything else is usually white noise so you can't hear the pleas of the impoverished.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Denak Calamari
Incorruptibles
#13 - 2013-09-14 07:08:30 UTC
I'll have to admit that you're the first True Amarr I like, most of my conversations with other Amarr haven't ended so well usually. Down here, PIE Inc. has gained quite a significant presence when it comes to clone soldier representation, and more often than not they clash with other clone soldiers of usually Gallentean heritage, mostly about slavery and how it is wrong from their point of view.

I've been trying to defend these PIE Inc. officers too by refuting some of the most extreme prejudices there has been about slavery, but I can't say I'm an expert on the subject. So out of curiosity, and to help make the places I visit a little more civil, could you explain how slavery actually works within the Amarr Empire(or you can redirect me to a place where you have explained it already, I may have missed it and I apologize beforehand if I have)? It would be appreciated.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#14 - 2013-09-14 07:23:39 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:

I think, to be fair to my Empire, it isn't that we're more belligerent or arrogant than anyone else. ............. For the most part, the lower 90% of society don't care much about who conquers which part of the cluster. They mostly just want to know that they aren't going to end up starving to death.

Everything else is usually white noise so you can't hear the pleas of the impoverished.
Stop spreading this apologetic propaganda Baracca.

#1 We are both more arrogant and more belligerent.

#2 How dare you even suggest you can speak for 90% of the lower class Amarr you arrogant windbag.

You can not polish a turd Baracca, so embrace the stench of our heritage, and proudly stand as another inhuman slaver!

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#15 - 2013-09-14 08:11:25 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
The House of Baracca fields hundreds of high-ranking clergy. I learned Scripture from a very young age and still read and study it today. It forms the foundation of our religion and I would be a very different man without it.


So why don't I quote much Scripture in my ministry?

The first and most obvious answer is that the passages are nearly indecipherable without context. The Scriptures are, essentially, anything our Theology Council deems religiously significant from our history.
I accept you come from a long line of pompous windbaggery. Clearly in all your years of study the obvious fact that our "Scripture" is nothing more than political propaganda to put the face of "divine right" on the horrific history of conquest we have engaged in and continue to lust after.

Amarr "Scripture" is a political tool, designed from the start to distract and to fool, this is a fact easily learned by most thinking people in primary school.

The Theology Council is poorly named, our history of slavery is of what you are shamed, your miserable whimpering will not absolve you from being blamed.

Quote:
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,
we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part,
revel in our viciousness,
we rule by venom and our strike is merciless,
wipe the tears from your face,
and learn the power of our coiled crushing embrace."

This is the "Scripture" taught to every child of Amarr, "scripture" Baracca is to afraid to quote because he cowers at the true nature of what he is a significant part of.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#16 - 2013-09-14 08:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Perhaps because your Scriptures are false?

Bent to the whims of the Theology Council to serve your government.


In any case you are no Archbishop.

That man at least had a gift for weaving a decent tale through his awful sermons.



To say the Scriptures are false is the same as saying the Apocryphon is false. The Apocryphon was once considered part of the Scriptures greater collection. Therefore if the Scriptures are false then the Apocryphon was always false.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Kind of hard to be a Sani Sabik when you only read the text you care about. Kind of hard to say the Scriptures are false when the Apocryphon was once part of those Scriptures. I understand you're bitter that your sect were outcast -it's understandable to be angry at this- but you don't need to be a fool about it.


And I don't know why I bother saying this...but anyone posting with the name "Slaver Filth" while trying to pretend to represent an Amarr should most definitely be ignored and/or ridiculed.

-Eran
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#17 - 2013-09-14 08:26:27 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Perhaps because your Scriptures are false?

Bent to the whims of the Theology Council to serve your government.


In any case you are no Archbishop.

That man at least had a gift for weaving a decent tale through his awful sermons.



To say the Scriptures are false is the same as saying the Apocrypha is false. The Apocrypha was once considered part of the Scriptures greater collection. Therefore if the Scriptures are false then the Apocrypha was always false.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Kind of hard to be a Sani Sabik when you only read the text you care about. Kind of hard to say the Scriptures are false when the Apocrypha was once part of those Scriptures. I understand you're bitter that your sect were outcast -it's understandable to be angry at this- but you don't need to be a fool about it.


And I don't know why I bother saying this...but anyone posting with the name "Slaver Filth" while trying to pretend to represent an Amarr should most definitely be ignored and/or ridiculed.

-Eran
You dare mention my name? As if if it engenders ridicule on it's surface as a pretense of my origin?

Dear boy your every post speaks volumes to how eager you are to serve your masters, remove the mask of the Minmatar you wear so poorly, fall to your knees and be the good little pitiful Ammatar slave you long in your heart of hearts to be.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-09-14 14:44:47 UTC
Denak Calamari wrote:
I've been trying to defend these PIE Inc. officers too by refuting some of the most extreme prejudices there has been about slavery, but I can't say I'm an expert on the subject. So out of curiosity, and to help make the places I visit a little more civil, could you explain how slavery actually works within the Amarr Empire(or you can redirect me to a place where you have explained it already, I may have missed it and I apologize beforehand if I have)? It would be appreciated.


It's actually somewhat interesting how our system of indentured servitude has evolved over the millenia. One thing I will say offhand is that it has never been a static relationship. There have been periods where it has not existed and there have been times where there have been far more Amarrian slaves than Amarrian freedmen. But in the very beginning, it began as a merciful option for penal correction.

Which seems perhaps strange, that the aspect of our society that most people think is most dehumanizing was actually a humanitarian venture. This happened during some of the earliest centuries of Amarrian recorded history, after a war with the Udorians left the Amarrians of the time with a problem. During most societies' conquering days, a defeated group of people mostly faced genocide or could expect autonomy as long as they paid a tax. Amarrian culture does not countenance either of these options. First, it is the duty of all Amarrians to spread the Word of God to the unbelievers, so you cannot simply let a people live underneath you with their own culture after you have technically taken over their territory. However, thankfully for us, killing everyone and looting everything they had was not an option either, as we are instructed many times in the Scriptures to value all of God's creations. That's often the reason we have been so reluctant to take on cloning technologies without extensive testing. We are told to value human life (something we have a tendency to forget, but that separated the greatest acts of the Amarrian Empire from its worst sins).

The answers came from the Scriptures. Several times, it is mentioned that, as we Amarrians serve God, others will come to serve us. And as God has dealt bountifully with us, so shall we deal bountifully with them. So the Emperor at the time essentially decided to institute widespread indentured servitude. The idea was that a person would not need to worry, as the Udorians had, about the pettier aspects of life. They were given a place to live, clothes to wear, food to eat, and work to do. The eventual goal was to educate them as Amarr so that, eventually, they could become free Amarr citizens in their own right. Sort of our way of indoctrinating disparate cultures into our own, you could say.

From there grew the slavery we know today. It seemed, for a time, that we pleased God by re-educating his wayward children. He basically gift-wrapped the Matari people for us, causing a storm which made them nearly unable to resist and thus saving untold lives.

We took this gift for granted. As an Empire, we forgot that all of God's great gifts come with great responsibilities. None of our responsibilities should have been greater than the education of our servants that they would eventually be brought into the kingdom of God. Instead, we unscrupulously used them as a labor force to do all of our work. Our people grew lazy and ceased to truly labor the way God intended us to labor. We had been given this precious gift, the gift of human education, and we cast it by the wayside so that we would not impact our numbers of laborers.

What bounties God gives, God may take.

Where once our conquests were assisted by God, now we met our downfall. The defeat by the Jovians and subsequent loss of the Matari punished us with the instrument of our own pride. We attacked a people desperate for help, a people who truly need the Word in their times of need instead of our lasers. We spent so long using the Matari for pure labor that our failure in their education, to bring them into the kingdom of God, bit us back. If we had done our job, all these generations of Matari would have become Amarr. Instead, they were still Matari enough to create their own Republic. The fact that there is a Minmatar Republic highlights our shocking failure to adequately preach the love of God.

The Empress's new decrees have addressed this. In her wisdom, she sees that we have been judged wanting. Look at the Emancipation she proclaimed! Those peoples who have been in our kingdom for nine generations and not been taught by then should be freed, because if they leave it is their Holders who have failed. In nine generations, people should see the wisdom of God if you teach it. Those who are highly educated and in ecclesiastical work? They should obviously want to stay.

Many did stay, I think to our credit. But the large number that took their freedom outside the Empire confirms that we had lost the way.

Jamyl returns the practice to the Scriptures. To take our violent enemies and criminals for re-education was always the point of slavery. She makes peace with our neighbors so that we can begin the long, slow process of proving that we are not the fools we once were. Now, we may need to educate free people by preaching the Scripture, trying to pierce the haze of materialism we are meant to rise above.

We need to re-earn the trust of God, as a people, and prove that we can bring His message across the stars. Like our slaves we took before, he has taken from us the life of ease we abused. It is time to labor, hard, to spread the Word.

Maybe that way, we will learn to appreciate it more ourselves.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2013-09-14 14:49:44 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Perhaps because your Scriptures are false?

Bent to the whims of the Theology Council to serve your government.


In any case you are no Archbishop.

That man at least had a gift for weaving a decent tale through his awful sermons.



To say the Scriptures are false is the same as saying the Apocryphon is false. The Apocryphon was once considered part of the Scriptures greater collection. Therefore if the Scriptures are false then the Apocryphon was always false.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Kind of hard to be a Sani Sabik when you only read the text you care about. Kind of hard to say the Scriptures are false when the Apocryphon was once part of those Scriptures. I understand you're bitter that your sect were outcast -it's understandable to be angry at this- but you don't need to be a fool about it.


And I don't know why I bother saying this...but anyone posting with the name "Slaver Filth" while trying to pretend to represent an Amarr should most definitely be ignored and/or ridiculed.

-Eran


I appreciate your defense, Eran, but you are quite right. I highly doubt that arguing with him would be productive. He did not come to learn or ask questions. He came to speak, which is certainly his right. I simply don't think that a man who took that amount of time to insult me, you, the Empire, and the faith is here to honesty join the discussion on any level. It is better to allow him to vent whatever anger he feels towards us or to let his bait sit in the water until he grows bored.

Sometimes, the vitriol of a man's arguments will defend his targets without requiring us to say another word.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-09-14 15:00:16 UTC
Slaver here represents the Sabik faith no more than Baracca is representing the majority Imperial point of view.

Slaver playing the role of mouth-frothing idiocy and Baracca playing more of the spineless apologist.

I do worry for my Brothers and Sisters more and more of late.



Sabik now, Sabik forever

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