EVE General Discussion

Insert graph into spreadsheet, win eve.

The End

Combat cost effectiveness has never been considered a victory condition before eve. And I'm not just saying that because I'm American.

I also support the reduction of the killboard system, I find it just as masturbatory as I would find an "ore board" or a "transaction board" "production board" etc...

I look forward to the day we can share battle stories though an in-game recording/playback system, with recordings that can be copied and shared like bookmarks.

Best thing about killmails and killboards:
*you're up to engage some (entity/person), quickly look up how he was rollin in the near past, as for example, two hours ago*
Also, killmails tell a wonderful story of the rise and fall of corporations and alliances.

Killboards are a really, really important part of the metagame (intel, social aspect, sources for blog articles, etc) and also create a wonderfully accurate history of your combat experiences in EVE. It is awesome that you have the ability to view the terrible fits and losses you had when starting the game, whether they were from learning to PvP or getting ganked doing something stupid (autopilot during wardec, hurr). Likewise, sometimes you get nostalgic and want to revisit the kills that you are particularly proud of. It's like a space pixel scrapbook of tears (yours and theirs).


TL:DR Killboards are a fantastic part of this game and enrich the community.

+1

The Kboards and war reports are used for more than bragging rights if someone has the mind to think outside the box.

I do agree, mostly because people hate lose. If there was no killmails, there would be no recorded losses and so more motivation to take risks for a part of the high-sec inhabitants as they won't be mocked or have to justify any bad pvp history. And so with that, more fights.

But I do agree too that killmails are an indispensable tool for intelligence. But they was better before CCP included implants or the entire fit of a ship, because the players had to give some efforts to get accurate data. I remember the time that I had to read some of the losses of one player to get the entire fit of the ship he liked to use most of the time (only destroyed modules was included in the lossmail), and that I wanted to copy. Now we have everything for no effort and the syndication make sure that this data is available everywhere, it doesn't sound like "EVE" IMO. I see only a mocking competition today and a sort of fight in any fleet just to be sure to be on the kills, especialy since the inclusion of the implants into lossmails.

That is why I still think that new killmails should be made partially anonymous but only if the player want to do so. Giving back some control of his history to the player can help to motivate him to pvp more, or for some of them to try it. Of course, only the name of the loser would be hidden, not his corporation nor his alliance, to keep the ability of getting accurate intel on the whereabout of a war or whatever.

Killmails should be replaced with incident reports.

Not every encounter ends in a ship being blown up. What about logistics? What about blockade runners?

Every PVP encounter should result in an incident report and of course a loss or kill is recorded there, but all involved parties and their roles or actions would help.


It would be a great tool for non-combatants too. If you run cargo with travel fits, you should have incidents reports (or a lack thereof) showing escapes from tacklers or bubbles.

On the reverse side, there are also opportunities for the intended victim to turn the table on a failed attacker. Imagine that for every incident report where the noncom ship "got away", the names of those who failed at killing it are also listed. You see, for some people NOT getting killed is how they win at PVP. As both parties have incident reports, it would also allow CEOs to see who is more efficient at other roles without a final binary outcome of "killed/not killed". Efficiency or being green on the board would then be expanded beyond this binary outcome to indicate not some magical number of an end result but also the progress of the attempts.

And even logistics should have a record of "HP recovered" or something like that.

Frankly the killmail should go away, but not the recording of encounters. If they are a detriment, it's only because they are based too much on the kill/loss outcome and not on the numerous other roles and potential (and unpredictable) results that occur in PVP encounters.

how do you know you won ???

Their ship exploding and yours not exploding doesn't give you a clue ??

I get it now! OP want to turn Eve into a Little League baseball game! Where no one keeps score, everybody wins, and at the end of the year you get a little trophy for just being who you are.

Now if we could just weasel a pizza party out of CCP after the season is over, that would make this idea just fantastic.

We lost 4 cruisers, they lost 2 battleships. Who won?

Answer: It depends on their value.
Example: We lost T1 Cruisers, they lost 2 T1 BS that were faction fit. We won.


We just had a battle and our side lost 34 ships, their side lost 1. Who won?

Answer: It depends on their value.
Example: Our losses were Battleships and cruisers, their loss was a Titan. We win.

How do we determine value?

Answer: Via the information presented in the kill notification, parsed/posted/ and searchable on a kill board.