EVE General Discussion

We've had several dozen pages of what the worst case scenario is of these changes. The lack of CSM or Dev response is only making that worse.

Best case scenario, the new ToS change only applies to the naming of characters and nothing else. And I really hope that's the case.

But I'm going to remain cynical until we get a proper response.

Ok well I might have to give you that one but, stupid optimist alert, I can't help but hope they can see a little something more at least would help. /desperately waits for CCP to save me from firepit.

U know I know they are listening right, I mean they are aren't they?

There is a VERY big difference between account sharing and saying to someone in game 'oh yeah, i'm totally person X's alt, how can i scam you today?'
though apparently not anymore under the new wording...

frankly this is another case of really bad PR where a simple clarification is all that is needed to sort it out.
basically, if i claim to be someone's alt in game, will I get banned?

Unfortunate, i hope that issue with the Goon recruitment Corp got resolved, i totally agree that any vague wording might cause confusion. However the actions of individual GM's does not a policy make.



Not really, i still do not believe that CCP intends to "change the game", CCP Guard has effectively said that in one of the locked threads by stating "it is not a change in policy, but a clarification of existing rules"
Your interpretation of the TOS is as worthless as mine, but statements from CCP employees on this forum have shown the opposite of what you claim.



We have jurisprudence on this matter in my country where companies had EULA's (even native ones) and laid claims. All of them have failed and have been in the news. i think i am safe for the moment.



Yes, although my dealings with the GM's have always been positive. And the "reputation" of the people who have "authority' over you is always a double standard, good for the people positively effected and bad for those negatively effected. Reading badposts on the forums or kugu/whatever dos not a reputation make. Vocal minority and people venting and all that.



I totally see everything that this change in the TOS is, and fully comprehend what has changed. I also have read all reactions of CSM/CCP employees (not just GM's), and i hold a mirror to you sir.

If you actually read said post, you would understand that this is a process that will take up some time (as stated by Ari) and it is unlikely anything 'new' will pop up until the internal discussion has been had.

This, listening, taking note, not just sitting out is what I was hoping for.

Now keep calm folks don't all rush at once. We cannot expect instant yes we can do yadda yadda in the next 5 minutes.

Ok so now you have your chance to show your real, not knee jerk concerns, don't waste the opportunity with whining and complaining.

Real uncluttered details would be of most use to get any progress if that becomes possible.

Good luck with making clear understandable points that can be worked with

Since few people are going to say it, thank you for keeping up with us.

I'm still holding out hope that we'll soon get some Dev responses in here as well, not just GM(s).

Karidor, as much as we appreciate the input of the GM team, what really needs to happen is a response from one of the people responsible for writing the documents concerned, as opposed to the people who enforce them.

As a real world analogy, we're asking for the politicians, not the police force.

EDIT: There seems to be a fair amount of anger directed against the GM team at the moment. Which I understand, a large number of people are affected by this issue. But it isn't getting us any closer to a solution. I'd like to advise everyone concerned to take a step back, take a deep breath, and then we can continue this with cooler heads.

All the rest of your arguement is fine and your choice, as is your reliance on the arbitrary decisions of human beings. Just like you, I have read what CCP Devs, GMs, and the CSM have written, and coupled with the seven years I've played the game, watching the changes, good and bad. The developers and GMs who have come and gone. I well know that viewpoints are easily corruptable, even in those looking to do the right thing. I've seen how improperly worded rules impact innocent people, and how properly worded rules increase enjoyment.

So go ahead, keep that mirror up on me. Just make sure you turn it on yourself from time to time.

Every link there, except for the new change, is specifically talking about the using of the name of the character to trick people.

The new one includes simply making the claim to be another person.


Before, it was against the TOS to -
XXXXXXXXOX - "Hey, I'm XXXXXXXXXX"
But legal to say -
GDKCIXMADI - "Hey, I'm XXXXXXXXXX"

But your NEW line in the TOS now say's it's against the TOS to do both. This supposed 'clarification of a rule that's been there for ages' actually adds new things that are against the TOS. It's changing what people can do ingame in a major way when it comes to scamming. That's why people are up in arms.

This is a significant shift away from EVE Online's harsh world.

Do you not understand this?

Show where this line -

mentions it's reach is limited to using the NAME of a character to trick people. It doesn't.