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Bethy

The Evocati

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#1 - 2013-09-12 05:37:07 UTC | Edited by: Bethy

What a phony aim "assist" system... Why put this on DUST 514? the computer aim's for the player on a FPS game? This isn't in the spirit of New Eden where we Coddle a bunch of casual CoD players into the galaxy...

Judge for your self.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qZ4LG8lGY

how far we are from those video's years ago now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzVjggarRns

Shalua Rui

Rui Freelance Mining

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#2 - 2013-09-12 05:42:53 UTC | Edited by: Shalua Rui

While ithat's not the DUST forum... I agree. I guess it has to do with the game beeing on consoles (in my optinion CCP's biggest mistake)... playing FPS with a controller has never been ideal, and that's their way to compensate?

Love the second trailer, though... especially the hangar bit. Blink

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Bethy

The Evocati

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#3 - 2013-09-12 05:55:52 UTC

Shalua Rui wrote:

They talk about Why aim assist fad is bad.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/03/13/call-of-duty-red-orchestra-2-interview/

Its EVE's success that birthed DUST. New Eden is a harsh galaxy and what is being done there seems to be squandering what players have built here. For?

Shalua Rui

Rui Freelance Mining

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#4 - 2013-09-12 06:23:56 UTC | Edited by: Shalua Rui

Bethy wrote:

For?

Microtransactions... I guess. DUST was quite an investment, so CCP has to make it work for the masses... I know, it's no flattering reason, but there you have it.

...should have invested the money into making WiS right. Roll

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Eram Fidard Doomheim Likes received: 827	#5 - 2013-09-12 06:44:26 UTC The control in dust is bad. Even with mouse and keyboard, the always-on mouse acceleration makes it sluggish and unresponsive. Hardly a surprise they added aim assist, but what was really needed is a 'pointer acceleration' switch in options. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Ministry of War Amarr Empire 310
C DeLeon Ministry of War Amarr Empire Likes received: 310	#6 - 2013-09-12 06:49:28 UTC \| Edited by: C DeLeon 3 I want a dust where I can just lock my target and press F1 I like the strong aim assist btw. Less bunnyhopping kamikaze ramboninjas running around than before because this time they are getting killed.


Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining Likes received: 30,599	#7 - 2013-09-12 06:56:27 UTC \| Edited by: Shalua Rui 2 One thought: Is the aim assist influenced by skills? I think that would be rather appropriate... ...no, I never played it, nor do I own a PS3. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Captain Africa

GRIM MARCH

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#8 - 2013-09-12 08:31:12 UTC | Edited by: Captain Africa

Shalua Rui wrote:

One thought: Is the aim assist influenced by skills? I think that would be rather appropriate...

...no, I never played it, nor do I own a PS3. Blink

Nope you dont train for it , actually not a bad idea ...lol I have to take my hat off to CCP, they are grinding ahead at a slow pace but with every build the game becomes more shiny and exciting bit by bit.

If there was two aspects on my wish list for the Winter expansion (summer for us Smile

) it would be "Deep Space " on the Eve side and Poco implementation on the Dust side ...one can only wish Lol

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Gogela Epic Ganking Time CODE. Likes received: 3,461	#9 - 2013-09-12 09:14:51 UTC DUST sucks. ...but you should try it. Click the link in my sig so I get a recruit and you start the game with free stuff. Signatures should be used responsibly...

Nomistrav

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#10 - 2013-09-12 09:46:22 UTC

Bethy wrote:

Game needed aim assist. Makes it so that there's less super-speedy strafing and more thinking involved.

Of course, the players always seem to foam at the mouth and have a brain aneurism when you mention the word "cover" in a first person shooter.. Never understood why.

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as long as sentient beings exist,

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Ruskarn Andedare

Lion Investments

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#11 - 2013-09-12 10:06:15 UTC

Nomistrav wrote:

Bethy wrote:

Because they don't want dark, boring, reality - they want bunnyhopping to make them invulnerable with their glorious Charge of the Light Brigade tactics.

They don't want to have to think, thinking's for the uncool kids


Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining Likes received: 30,599	#12 - 2013-09-12 10:11:38 UTC Ruskarn Andedare wrote: They don't want to have to think, thinking's for the uncool kids That should have been kind of expected, though... they made it a f2p FPS for consoles... no? "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

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Jerick Ludhowe Internet Tuff Guys Likes received: 687	#13 - 2013-09-12 10:26:19 UTC C DeLeon wrote: I like the strong aim assist btw. Less bunnyhopping kamikaze ramboninjas running around than before because this time they are getting killed. You must be awful at FPS games, just saying...

Nomistrav

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#14 - 2013-09-12 10:34:48 UTC

Jerick Ludhowe wrote:

C DeLeon wrote:

I like the strong aim assist btw. Less bunnyhopping kamikaze ramboninjas running around than before because this time they are getting killed.

You must be awful at FPS games, just saying...

Don't have to be awful at an FPS to shake your head at the implausibility of an Amarrian donning hundreds of pounds of Tungsten Carbide (or what I can assume to be Tungsten Carbide) and a hundred pound heavy machine gun just to do a strafe dance.

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RomeStar Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 582	#15 - 2013-09-12 12:38:44 UTC gave up on dust months ago no reason to go back CCP burnt that bridge with me oh well good luck trying to make money off a failed pos. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom

Lugalbandak

Doomheim

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#16 - 2013-09-12 12:40:34 UTC | Edited by: Lugalbandak

Bethy wrote:

check dust forum , most of it cause by hit detection working since 1.4 , i have my aim assits off and on a killing spree , it isnt the aim bot , its said now a milljoen times

edit: btw the aimbot in dust makes it harder to aim , also it is on a couple of guns , most not

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Eram Fidard

Doomheim

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#17 - 2013-09-12 13:19:36 UTC

You do have to be awful at FPS games to desire/justify/speak fondly of any method that takes control out of your hands. That article about cod players is spot-on. DUST does not seem to be going the way of the 'compressed skill gap', thankfully. I still can't play it because it honestly feels as though I am swinging the mouse through sand when I aim. This Aim-assist is not a good thing.

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Ranger 1

Ranger Corp

Vae. Victis.

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#18 - 2013-09-12 15:38:47 UTC | Edited by: Ranger 1

Well, it seems to have it's place if implemented well... and not just on console games.

WOT has an auto aim feature that works well for somethings (and is not infallible), but there are other times when it is to your advantage not to use it at all. It won't aim for the more vulnerable points on your target, lead a fast moving target, and (especially in fast paced in your face situations) does not perform as well as a skilled player with good reflexes and knowledge of their target.

Knowing when to use it (and putting more of your attention on your own maneuvering) and when not to is a skill in and of itself... so we'll have to see how this ends up being done in DUST after they've had a chance to play with things a bit.

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C DeLeon

Ministry of War

Amarr Empire

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#19 - 2013-09-12 17:55:22 UTC | Edited by: C DeLeon

Jerick Ludhowe wrote:

C DeLeon wrote:

I like the strong aim assist btw. Less bunnyhopping kamikaze ramboninjas running around than before because this time they are getting killed.

You must be awful at FPS games, just saying...

I might be awful at fps games but I play with kb/m and aim assist is control pad only I think. I'm still happy for it. It changes the dinamics of the fights to a more tactic-oriented direction which is good.

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Maximus Andendare Stimulus Rote Kapelle Likes received: 930	#20 - 2013-09-12 18:56:36 UTC Pro tip: there's an entire Dust 514 forum on the Eve-O forums for you to complain on, and better yet, Dust 514 has its own entire set of forums for you to complain in. Why are you posting this in Eve's general discussion? Enter grid and you're already dead, destined to be reborn and fight another day. >> Play Eve Online FREE! Join today for exclusive bonuses! <<