EVE General Discussion

Pretty sure you're not going to see any of the actual Devs in here. Someone with a 'dev' tag who is really a lawyer or middle manager of filing paperwork, maybe. I have ideas that the Devs are currently being reigned in and instructed to no longer communicate with the playerbase outside of strictly 'official' means that are well inside their lane.

The ultimate AWOX story in the making?

CCP loses 3 senior people in a few months. Hires 2 EA people.


I am pretty sure that is like losing 5 people at least.

be fair an employee is not their former company. the positions these guys are in are more about making games (which ea has done very well several times) not decisions based on shareholder interests. ccp and ea operate in fundamentally different ways, which is why this thread has a chance of being seen and getting dev response. slinging insults about new hires distracts the issue at hand.

I am being fair, I categorically stated that it was my opinion, one that may well be shared by many others.

If I had stated it as fact, then it would be an insult.

I agree on most every point. More over, There is a reason that EA, while inarguable producing high value title, is considered the WORST COMPANY IN AMERICA, Their business model, destroys the game publishers it hires/contracts to produce their products. They also produce titles that are "dumbed-down & mass-market, " titles that sell very well and very quickly, but then fizzle out into nothingness only to be replaced by another hollow sequal.

Unfortunately, reputation always precedes everyone. A person may be a saint, but if they walked in the mud, people will see the dirty tracks for a while.

I certainly hope that EVE is not going in the same direction. I feel that the one added word in the TOS ("representative") creates too much ambiguity and opens the door for future extraneous involvement and melding by both the GM's & Devs. In my short time in this game, I have grown to really appreciate both the maturity and complexity of New Eden. I have adapted to every change, buff & nerf added to the game, as I feel, in the end, the game itself will remain the cold, harsh and mature universe that first drew me in. If I see that life in new Eden becomes too controlled, dumbed-down and mass marketed like that file of WOW, I'll find something better to do. I want to be surrounded by mature thinking, plotting and conspiring players, not twitch happy children.

If that were to happen, CCP would definitely see a spike in their short term subs & profits, but within a year or two, then long-lived base would move on. What's more important, short-term return, or a long-term stable growth?

Wow, what a constructive idea and argument. most of the people posting on this thread actually want to see this game grow and improve. "Closing the servers" helps no one and solves nothing.

the problem i have with this change isn't that it suddenly causes these scams to be off limits; the problem that i have with this change is that it represents a fundamental shift in the gm department's stance on scamming. previously, anything under the sun was permitted as long as it didn't exploit broken or confusing game mechanics to cause a desired result. now, with this change, precedent has been set that simply because scam victims were confused (or in this case, lied to, or simply misled) the scams were illegitimate and illegal.

when lofty-style war dec exploiting for ganks was first publicly discussed, it was lauded as a brilliant play on mechanics. several people began imitating his behavior, which (understandably) caused pve-oriented players to cry out in a chorus of discontent. warning dialogs i was okay with - these were obvious. "are you sure you want to do this?" isn't foolproof. scams are still possible. but when ccp introduced the safety button to make highsec dwellers virtually immune to game mechanics they didn't understand (a capital crime, in my book, but appparently not ccp's) i decided i was done with highsec forever.

similarly now, ccp's has set a precedent that anyone who feels wronged by any other person lying to them has cause to complain, petition, and rail for new policy. since when did eve online become world of warcraft? the rampant scamming in this game has been held as a point of pride for ccp for most of the game's 10-year history - why are you turning your back on it, karidor?



so in essence what you're saying is that csm8 is an impotent body, incapable of any meaningful accomplishment? forgive me for paraphrasing, but you've completely lost me. at what point exactly did this issue cross your desk? or was it implemented with no input or feedback from the council? why are you so complacent and apologist about what is clearly ccp overstepping the bounds of "fair play" in terms of moderation and game management? would you mind showing me your pieces of silver, judas?

to clarify, i've never "goon recruitment scammed" nor have i tried any similar styles of tactical reallocation of wealth through social engineering - but i'm concerned about where this trend leads. if we outlaw lying about who you are, what's next? a blanket ban on lying in eve in general? a year from now, will i be allowed to dishonor ransoms? present a regular raven as a navy raven by naming it "raven navy issue" and putting it in a contract? join a corporation for a safari? where does this end? you tell me, you're the one that started it, ali aras. you and your colleagues on the csm who allowed this to happen without a fight.

Just wanted to double check, but me having a Cyno Alt on my main account that applies to my corporation equates a ban for that character because (and I paraphrase)

"There is no way to verify that the claim by the character is valid."

I just want to make sure this is true, because if so this means any Cyno Alts are now effectively worthy of a petition & ban. If this is indeed the case then I for one will become the great Cyno Alt Hunter of New Eden.

Elite and Hello Kitty in the same sentence? You should be smited from afar with artillery for blasphemy Otherwise yep, I unsubbed my extra accounts after Incarna, I was considering resubbing them sometime in the next few months, now I'm not.