Ships & Modules

With Odyssey 1.1 all the HAC's got a huge buff.

In particular the Cerberus was made much more lethal. In my opinion however it still is a gimped ship.

I think the Cerberus bonus per HAC level should change from 10% bonus to flight time, to 10% bonus to missile velocity.

As it stands it's about 15 seconds from the time the missile is fired till it hits the target. It's an abysmal amount of time and gimps almost any use of heavy missiles with the Cerberus. Leaving the only options to HAMs and RLM's.

The change from flight time to velocity would keep the Cerberus's long range almost the same but would have a much more effective application of damage without increasing DPS.

Cerberus still gimped? Mate the Cerb is now the most powerful HAC out there. Mad DPS and range with HAMS? Check. RLML Caracal on steroids? Check. Amazing cap life for ability to kite? Check.
If anything the Cerb was taken too far. But hell, I like it

It's not just the Cerb that is 'meh' with HMLs, the whole weapon system has gone to the shitter compared to other options.

HM being the long range med size missile system we're far away from the numbers you can push with all other med size LR weapons, really really far away.
I said this well before HAC/guns changes, HM's need a huge buff now to get in same line of dps but I guess we can forget this for a couple years now.

Yeah this is pretty much a classic case of CCP nerfing one system into the ground and buffing all the other competing ones shortly after, essentially putting one weapon system down in the crapper. The title used to belong to railguns, but now we're welcoming HMs to the new throne of being crap for the next 3 years.

While I will say that the Cerb changes went a bit too far, I will disagree with giving HMLs their old stats back.

There are a couple of reasons for this;
For starters, IIRC they are still the longest range *medium class* weapon with the best damage.
No other ship can match them. Sure the other ones have more damage up close, but nothing competes with HMLs at range.

Secondly, their damage type is whatever you fit.
Railguns are fixed, Lasers are fixed, and Artillery is fixed at long range.
Granted some hulls have a specific damage type bonus, but that doesn't mean you need to use it 100% of the time.

Lastly, they have the lowest fitting requirements of the other ranged weapon types.
Beams and rails have notoriously high fitting requirements, which often results in weakly tanked ships.
HML setups don't typically have this issue.



If there is one thing I would like to see changed about HMLs, it would be their damage application to smaller ships.
Specifically Cruisers, since they don't hit them particularly well, when they should.

I didn't say old stats I said damage.

Last time I checked nobody uses long range weapons because there is virtually no difference in being at 40km and being at 70km in terms of damage, tackle, etc... There is no point in having the extra range whatsoever because CCP has decided that the the only viable ranges for small groups of players are between 0-15km (scram/web range) and 0-40km (disruptor range, including linked ships).

Sure you could fly a setup with long range ships and a lach, but tbh who wouldn't just leave if they were fighting a fleet that was shooting them at 70km and they had no chance to catch them or do damage back. In addition, at that range (where HM's arguably have some advantage over other medium weapon systems), large weapons are significantly better (oracle, talos, naga, tornado), and this compounded by the fact that heavy missiles pretty much have **** tracking. They can't even benefit from range like turret weapons can (by reducing transversal), you're completely at dependent on the absolute speed of the person you're shooting.

HML's suck and there is no reason to use them on any ship currently.

Small missiles and Cruise missiles are fine atm.

Heavy missiles had their DPS reduced to "match" that of the medium LR turrets, due to the frankly fallacious argument that Prometheus employed above, which turrets subsequently have had their DPS increased by 20-25%.

IMO, HML damage should be increased by at least 5%.

As long CCP doesn't invent a working Anti-Missile module giving long range missiles too much DPS is just making them overpowered. At the moment Rapid Light Missile Launchers are already completely overpowered when it comes to kill small and weak stuff. There is no real possibility to counter them.