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Nyx or Aeon?
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Hannyaball Havoyan
Cruisers Crew
#1 - 2013-09-11 01:40:13 UTC
Well, i did some research about it by myself, but at the end i'd like to know the opinion of actual pilots of given ships. Recently i started bulding up ISK and an alt to be holder of a supercarrier, and i was pretty sure it was going to be a Nyx, when a thought crossed my mind: "if Archon is better than Thanatos, maybe wouldn't it apply to it's mommies too?". As what i've got so far as info, Nyx can put about 25% more DPS than an Aeon, but have a considerably less EHP due to less raw armor than the Aeon, what also has impact on the use of slave implant set. So we could look at Nyx as a quick hit and run hotdrop ship as it kills faster, and Aeon being more effective in large scale capital warfare due to it's ability to tank more. There's also the fact that Nyx is usually primaried, leaving Aeon's to die later, and the longe you're in field, the more DPS you put. Also saw many people saying that Nyx is a much more popular ship, and it's much more commonly seen in the field compared to Aeon, but somehow the Aeon was getting much more love and preference in the given post. I got all this info from a 2 year-old post on the old forums, and since many changes happened during all this time and i wasn't familiar with capitals at that time, i'd like to have updated opinions about it, and also know if all this info i got is still valid. Thanks in advance.
mama guru
Yazatas.
#2 - 2013-09-11 02:57:48 UTC
Alliances that see alot of supercapital engagements tend to lean towards the Aeon because of It's Lowslots and Resist bonus. It simply scales the survivability way more than what you can get from the Nyx and it's 25% more dps. Then there is the capacitor transfer range bonus which allows for a better tank across the fleet. It's long since proven that a supercap fleet with more Aeons take way less losses than one with fewer.

The Nyx does grind structures faster, but not by a huge margin. Then there's the coolfactor, the Nyx just looks sweet plain and simple.

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-11 05:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatsumi Kobayashi
Aeon, no discussion needed.

The damage bonus on the nyx is irrelevant except on some really really really fringe cases.

People commonly refer to cap ganks as why one should get a Nyx because extra damage etc etc, but in reality with the way fighter bombers work you'll at best save fifteen seconds on a kill. Ask yourself, "how often am I to be 15seconds away from being caught with my pants down without backup" and if the answer is anything other than "never", don't get a Nyx, just don't get a supercarrier.

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Varun Arthie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-11 09:06:32 UTC
The Nyx looks better then an Aeon.
Pilots do buy ships for their appearence, not just stats. Especially considering that when you are flying a shop of that calibre for a fleet op the amount of EHP you have will mean very little if you don't work as a team.

The Aeon does have the largest armour tanks of the super carriers, however the Nyx is more popular.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-11 10:34:33 UTC
mama guru wrote:
Alliances that see alot of supercapital engagements tend to lean towards the Aeon because of It's Lowslots and Resist bonus. It simply scales the survivability way more than what you can get from the Nyx and it's 25% more dps. Then there is the capacitor transfer range bonus which allows for a better tank across the fleet. It's long since proven that a supercap fleet with more Aeons take way less losses than one with fewer.

The Nyx does grind structures faster, but not by a huge margin. Then there's the coolfactor, the Nyx just looks sweet plain and simple.



Aeon just looks like a banana split without the Chantilly, half finished ship or just like if they were lacking money to finish the ship and put it in space like that.

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Ned Plantagenet
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-11 12:03:16 UTC
I wonder if the ammar link all the aeon's together to make there version ofthe great wall?
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#7 - 2013-09-11 13:07:12 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
Aeon, no discussion needed.

The damage bonus on the nyx is irrelevant except on some really really really fringe cases.

People commonly refer to cap ganks as why one should get a Nyx because extra damage etc etc, but in reality with the way fighter bombers work you'll at best save eight seconds on a kill. Ask yourself, "how often am I to be 8seconds away from being caught with my pants down without backup" and if the answer is anything other than "never", don't get a Nyx, just don't get a supercarrier.


A additional question if I might...

The Nyx has what.... 25 mil + EHP properly fit with a HG slave set?

I always assumed that once you get to that high of an EHP an extra 6-7 million from flying an Aeon wouldn't help much...

Maybe I'm wrong?

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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-09-11 18:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
Aeon, no discussion needed.

The damage bonus on the nyx is irrelevant except on some really really really fringe cases.

People commonly refer to cap ganks as why one should get a Nyx because extra damage etc etc, but in reality with the way fighter bombers work you'll at best save eight seconds on a kill. Ask yourself, "how often am I to be 8seconds away from being caught with my pants down without backup" and if the answer is anything other than "never", don't get a Nyx, just don't get a supercarrier.


A additional question if I might...

The Nyx has what.... 25 mil + EHP properly fit with a HG slave set?

I always assumed that once you get to that high of an EHP an extra 6-7 million from flying an Aeon wouldn't help much...

Maybe I'm wrong?


Depends on the level of bling. Aeon puts expensive tank in good use, scaling together with Erebus and legion boosts. Even if the Intel is outdated, iirc Aeons used to reach 64M ehp? That is quite hard to break, could shift the fight for the side that wins the pantheon/triage support war. If you dominate there... aeons might make a lot of sense.

I'm a nyx pilot but realistically too outdated to qualify for a relevant source here. I'm training archon atm, wish I had gone there from the get go, aeons are not bad at all but thanatos is useless.
Heather Tsukaya
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-09-11 18:51:29 UTC
People prefer the Nyx because they kill TCUs and flip stations faster than other supercarriers.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#10 - 2013-09-11 18:58:03 UTC
So with pretty equally pimped fits these are the numbers I get with an Eos (with a navy mindlink) and an Erebus boosting.

Nyx - 38.670 mil EHP - 10,113 DPS

Aeon - 56.853 mil EHP - 8,060 DPS

I've heard that if you are going to be hotdropping a small gang of caps/supercaps like in lowsec where you need to GTFO then the extra 2k dps you get out of a Nyx might make it better than an Aeon. However for a large battle every bit of EHP you can squeeze out of a supercarrier is the best.

So taking into account that the supercarrier you own might need to have different uses is it still Aeon no questions asked?

I'm pretty much done with everything but the highslots to 5 and the carrier skill to 5 so I'm getting close to needing to pick one so any advice is appreciated from you supercarrier pilots. (I already have a moros/revelation maxed)

Here is the fit I am using for this EFT warrior'ing.

[Nyx]
Damage Control II
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpus X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script

Gotan's Modified Large Proton Smartbomb
Gotan's Modified Large Proton Smartbomb
Ahremen's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Ahremen's Modified Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Thon's Modified Cloaking Device
Remote ECM Burst I

Capital Trimark Armor Pump II
Capital Trimark Armor Pump II
Capital Trimark Armor Pump II

Tyrfing x20

Sorry if I hijacked your thread OP.

Not today spaghetti.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-09-11 20:30:38 UTC
To above fit do people still use the layering membrane / RAH on aeons? What's a cookie cutter Aeon fit nowadays?
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-12 16:42:28 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
I've heard that if you are going to be hotdropping a small gang of caps/supercaps like in lowsec where you need to GTFO then the extra 2k dps you get out of a Nyx might make it better than an Aeon. However for a large battle every bit of EHP you can squeeze out of a supercarrier is the best.


The thing with the dps argument in my opinion is that the FB damage comes in huge volleys every fifteen seconds and versus capitals a lot of it will be lost on overkill, especially in a gank situation. In supercapital fights, it again goes down to volleying hostile supers, usually with coordinated doomsdays - since Aeons are especially sturdy, they are more than often left for last in favor of Nyxes and Hels (i think Wyverns are even tankier than Aeons) who can easily be headshotted right off the bat. It could be seen as a coward thing, but combined with your bigger ehp that fact alone gives you more survivability.

If you're looking for a supercarrier that can gank and quickly get out, look at the *gasp* Hel instead. You can have align it faster than a battleship.

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