EVE General Discussion

Apparently not anymore. Then again, I could be reading the GM statement wrong; I don't want to misrepresent that I understand what that poorly worded wall of text pretends to mean.

Go do exactly what you're saying, and let us know. The GMs aren't going to say here, and speculating might mean that we are falsely representing ourselves as CCP GMs.

Thats clearly fine because you aren't misrepresenting your Machariel. Now if you called it "Shuttle" all bets are off.

I'm sorry but I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. If I claim to represent another entity it is absolutely trivial to verify they're in the alliance: "sure, send me a evemail from your [alliance] alt". Or get info on the character and determine "you know this guy isn't even in that alliance why am I even talking to them".

I mean goddamn, we have been able to do this for a decade now fairly routinely. It is an absolutely normal part of 0.0 living to figure out how you contact an alliance and we all have been able to do it entirely successfully: you check if the character is actually in the alliance, you then check the alliance description to see if they're listed as a diplo or a contact, and if you're still willing to proceed despite that, you check their character info and see if they have titles that back up their story.

Not only that, but you've now actually made it potentially bannable if I use one of my alt characters to represent myself. I may be on another character on my main account, and use another Goonwaffe character and identify myself as a weaselior alt. The fact you've just made it bannable for one character actually owned by a player to correctly represent themselves as an alt of another player actually owned by that player.

If I am on my character in our renter alliance, I can now be banned for - correctly - representing that I am Weaselior. If I am on Weaselior, I can now be banned for - correctly - representing that I am a full director in our renter alliance. And this isn't something that I'm making up as a crazy application of the rules, this is another new rule you've suddenly announced during your "we are not actually changing any rules" 'clarification'. You need someone who actually understands this game to be sanity-checking these policies because they're atrocious.

This parade of actively insane interpretations of the rules that no sane person would think are banned is why "everything is handled on a case by case basis" is not a good enough answer, because nobody can even comprehend what principles might suddenly be applied in this case by case basis and wind up banned because they quite reasonably assumed that telling people you are you was not impersonation.

If you change this:



to just this:



Then this whole argument goes away, AND the very essence of Eve Online is again preserved.

Your change to the TOS goes directly against the "HTFU" mantra that has been the lifeblood of culture in Eve Online. Understand, this isn't a little "clarification", this is a major change to a gameplay mechanic AS WELL AS a direct assault on player content. Eve Online probably WOULD NOT HAVE BECOME AS POPULAR OR RESILIENT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE ABILITY / CHALLENGE of DECEIT that has always been allowed.

This is a game-killing change. You have no other choice but to remove it. It may take a while, but if it remains, it will happen. See, what will happen is now you are going to get some considerable GM overreach, and lets be clear.. the GM department at CCP isn't well known for its consistency. Eventually you will frustrate people into leaving the game because actions that were not only allowed, but even glorified publically.. even used as points to show how amazing Eve Online is over games like World of Warcraft or LOTRO, or whatever, are now suddenly illegal and will get you banned.

I don't know who proposed this change, but there is now an obligation to the players to remove that sentence AND let us know who the person is who pushed the change. The reason for this last request is obvious. Whoever is pushing this change doesn't "get" Eve Online and has already shown the potential to inadvertently destroy the game due to their clumsy viewpoint. I don't want them fired or harrassed, but I want to make sure that until they "get" Eve Online, they don't get to have input on major game changing activities.

With every post you make, you add new rules to this so-called "ToS clarification". First it was "no policy changed at all", then "well you can't claim you represent other people", now we're at "you can't claim you are your own alt". Where is this going? Will we get a post by people who actually think about what they write, or is this just the outflow of some bored intern with nothing better to do? Can you please stop claiming that you're just "restating policy", if it's blatantly obvious you're trying to shoehorn completely new rules into the ToS?

We've asked that question in various forms in all of the zillion threads on the matter and still have not gotten an answer. I don't expect one now.

It really does seem unbelievable that absolutely fundamental and defining aspects of the game have been played "wrong" for ten years.

I don't know how to suggest that this issue be taken over by someone who actually knows what they're talking about without hurting people's feelings, but it needs to be done. This is now beyond ridiculous, and obviously far beyond the purview and competence of the GM team.

If the current situation stays, you will have the duty of proving your alt is indeed the alt of Andski for example.

From CCP's point, it's probably "If you can't provide a proof that you are the alt of X, how do you expect other people to find if you really are his alt?

More work to be done on your side than on the other side to be safe.