Skill Discussions

http://i.imgur.com/FHqaU5Z.png for a brief moment I have #1

Did you come back a day early as it seems to have been changed now (at least some of it).

I guess you still are working on this as the skill groups on the ranking pages are broken now.

Yeah I'm running behind schedule with a bit too much other things going on at the moment, I apologize for the delay. I only had time to do the quick updates yet, ranks and everything (now that CCP changes groups) require a full recode of backend stuff including scripts and queries that calculate things. That's what takes time sadly.

But you are def not forgotten.

update/ranks should now be proper (minus icons). Statistics/graphs might not be touched right away (since I am planning of throwing out the flash stuff I might as well do proper stuff on that with that change).

Should also now be a lil bit more future proof for changes compared to before. Note however if you had direct-links to certain categories, they might have changed.

/c

So would your new ranking system still mean the lower the score, the higher ranked that person would be?

Towaoc’s new score would be 11.48 as you say.

My new score (currently ranked number 2 behind Towaoc) would be 0.74

Finally just checked out a character that was just over 1 year old but only had 55,074 skillpoints and he came out with a score of 1.05

I’m not seeing how this new system would work, placing a year old character with 1 day worth of skillpoints between myself and Towaoc.

Help me create such an algorithm and I'd be happy to make the changes needed. atm I'm not entirely sure myself what the best way to achieve this is.

For quite awhile now, I have had two characters that I check rankings on.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/RavenPaine

http://eveboard.com/pilot/RaVeN_Revenge

Even though Paine is a year older, Revenge has better over all ranking.
So I don't think that age is the 'end all' requirement.

And though I would like to see Paine move up the rankings, I have never thought he should bypass any veteran player who has
More SP
More level V's

Those 2 criteria are the most important to ranking, imo.

On a side note: The new skills categories seriously ruined some of my 'perfect' categories

That's correct on many accounts, and probably a matter of taste what you want to achieve or recognize with such a ranking.

Right now. to get to the top, you need to have an old pilot (what you can't influence as well) and simply skill as evenly across the board as possible. Doing that and having more then 150 mil SP (what equals at least 7 or 8 years of playtime) and you will be in the Top 100. No effort here. Look at your pilots age and the number of skills, and you can guess quite exactly at what quart of the list he will be found.

So the Date of Birth is actually already factored in, but not taken into a relativizing account.

Right now, a pilot created past 2006 or so never has the chance to reach the Top 1000 of the list, unless all of the old pilots just stop playing. With my proposal, a fresh pilot will not start in the Top 1000 of Eveboard (at least I don't think so), but if he is willing to play this Metagame, he can come up to that place in a couple of years of playtime. You still need to skill as evenly across all skills as possible, but you don't need to be an old pilot as well to get high rank on Eveboard.

Having said this, I like your idea of different global rankings. However, I have no idea how that could be calculated, and what the strain on the server would be to calculate three or more rankings over 100,000 pilots or more.

It would be x / y = z

where x is the present final global rank value of the present algorithm (for me it would be 4,165.20)
and y is the rank of the category "Date of Birth" (for me it would be 4,815)
and z would be the value for the new ranking, where the lowest value would be the highest rank

So for me it would be

4,165.20 / 4,815 = 0,865

what would result in whatever rank on Eveboard.

For the algorithm you actually would only need to add "divided by y (as defined above)" to what you have now, unless your algorithm leading to x includes stuff which I don't know and would create inconsistencies or iterations here.

How having skills in queue would affect that, I can't see. Is "skill queue" included in your algorithm somehow? A pilot having specialized in just a few particular skillgroups would still get a bad overall ranking, since he consequently would have terrible rankings in those skillgroups he has neglected. And that is already reflected in your present algorithm, isn't it?

What this addition would do would be simply to create a ranking relative to the pilots age, where younger pilots would have a chance to compete with and eventually to beat a much older pilot in this particular Metagame.

Viggen, we do not know what rank a score of 20, of 100 or 8,000 will be. Abandon Allhope ist ranked around 2,200 right now, may be he would be ranked even higher with a score of around 8,000 (however I don't believe so).

But that is it in fact, what this is about. Eveboard was not meant to just list old pilots with a massive skillset on the top, but to provide an incentive for younger pilots to show an achievement based on skills.

There is no art or achievement in being ranked high because you have been in the game from its start. A ranking, where the age of the pilot is the major ingredient to come to the top is actually quite redundant. With my proposal, you can design your skill set in a way, that can come up high in Eveboards ranking despite being a younger pilot, whereas right now a pilot created 2008 or 2010 never has a chance to enter the Top 1000.

Of course, if you want this ranking reflect the simple fact that a pilot is old and has skilled without interruptions all the time, then my proposal will not work, since you do not only need to have the years, but also to have a well balanced skill set. This last part of the equation will probably become more important in the scoring then the simple mass of skillpoints, and thus give younger pilots a chance to actually play the metagame called Eveboard.

Personally, I have no idea where I myself would end up in such a ranking. I'm a relativly old pilot from 2005 with over 130 mil SP, and I could easily end up worse in the ranking then I do now. With the proposed change Eveboard may turn from a vanity platform for older pilots with little to no changes in the Top 1000 or Top 100 to a quite volatile race with lots of upstarts and younger pilots in the top quart ot the list. It could become something for the masses of EVE, instead for a small elite.

Having said this, Abandon Allhope will still rank number 1 in age, Drahcir Nasom number one in lvl5 skills, and Dr. Caymus number one total skillpoints. However, they might loose places, maybe even lots of them, in the overall ranking.