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Why are suicide gankers hated so much?
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Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2013-09-11 01:06:56 UTC
Ganking miners creates demand in that location (or near it for) mining ships. Maybe the main of the gankers are building the ships and selling them at a unreasonable price (getting ISK from miners, or the chance at a hauler looking to make a good profit bringing in a load of ships).

Hate them if you want, but they are part of the game, and could you see the problem is miners in high sec never lost a ship? See the price of a hulk dropping to 200k isk? because no one is buying or needs to, as they never lose a ship.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#62 - 2013-09-11 02:11:48 UTC
Yi-Ming Gren wrote:


Hate them if you want, but they are part of the game, and could you see the problem is miners in high sec never lost a ship? See the price of a hulk dropping to 200k isk? because no one is buying or needs to, as they never lose a ship.
Indeed... If no ganking, then in order to shore up ship prices and maintain economic activity, minerals would have to be pushed out into Nul to increase risk... And wouldn't THAT set up a howl?! Shocked

If you think the Big Blue Donut is OP now, just wait until Nul gets ALL the minerals...

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-09-11 02:58:24 UTC
I've done suicide ganking and have been the victim of a failed suicide gank attempt. Here's my two cents

For miners... Fit a tank and many gankers will avoid you. I've always had a neutral scan down my targets looking for ones that didn't fit a tank.

For haulers... Don't haul more than 100 mil ISK worth of stuff in a T1 hauler. If you need to haul more make multiple trips, use a freighter, or use Red/ Blue Frog

For mission runners... Don't fit a a complete faction, deeadspace or officer fit. Yes it might be cool to have all 8 guns faction or officer but T2 will work as good or better. Instead of fitting a faction or deadspace SBA fit T2. That 1.5 percent extra isn't worth making yourself a target.
Aldus Dumbledore
The Covenant of Blood
#64 - 2013-09-11 07:17:22 UTC
Anne McDonald wrote:
Hello fellow capuleers

Suicide ganking has been a profession taking up by EVE's underworld for years and years and the question I wish to ask you (even though I can foresee the flaming) is why are they hated so much? There are many things one can do to avoid being suicide ganked in EVE and as a person who has been suicide ganked twice because of my own laziness (because you know the best thing to transport a 500mill blueprint is a bestower with only cargo expanders and 50% armor) yet I was not mad at the situation I learned and I adapted.

I recently started suicide ganking haulers myself and what I find most strange is that I get the most hate not from the gankee but the surrounding people in local some of the people I have ganked have even convo'd me and we have had quite decent talks (one guy I was speaking to wanted to learn how to suicide gank himself and after speaking with him for an hour I contracted his loot back!) is it because of 'organisations' such as the new order (of which I very much enjoy reading minerbumping.com james 315's arrogance highly amuses me) or maybe it is because of the likes of burn jita and hulkageddon.

I notice a lot of people have a false sense of security in high security space and maybe this is the problem but just because some is named high security why should you feel safe?? I would not carry everything in my bank on me walking around a high security prison so why would I do it in EVE?

Lots of love

Your friendly neighborhood ganker :)



It's kinda hard to warm up to Leeches, Fleas and Ticks. You get the idea.
Anne McDonald
Sandman are here
#65 - 2013-09-11 07:46:07 UTC
Aldus Dumbledore wrote:
Anne McDonald wrote:
Hello fellow capuleers

Suicide ganking has been a profession taking up by EVE's underworld for years and years and the question I wish to ask you (even though I can foresee the flaming) is why are they hated so much? There are many things one can do to avoid being suicide ganked in EVE and as a person who has been suicide ganked twice because of my own laziness (because you know the best thing to transport a 500mill blueprint is a bestower with only cargo expanders and 50% armor) yet I was not mad at the situation I learned and I adapted.

I recently started suicide ganking haulers myself and what I find most strange is that I get the most hate not from the gankee but the surrounding people in local some of the people I have ganked have even convo'd me and we have had quite decent talks (one guy I was speaking to wanted to learn how to suicide gank himself and after speaking with him for an hour I contracted his loot back!) is it because of 'organisations' such as the new order (of which I very much enjoy reading minerbumping.com james 315's arrogance highly amuses me) or maybe it is because of the likes of burn jita and hulkageddon.

I notice a lot of people have a false sense of security in high security space and maybe this is the problem but just because some is named high security why should you feel safe?? I would not carry everything in my bank on me walking around a high security prison so why would I do it in EVE?

Lots of love

Your friendly neighborhood ganker :)



It's kinda hard to warm up to Leeches, Fleas and Ticks. You get the idea.



Please do elaborate.
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#66 - 2013-09-11 08:22:54 UTC
Anne McDonald wrote:
Aldus Dumbledore wrote:
Anne McDonald wrote:
Hello fellow capuleers

Suicide ganking has been a profession taking up by EVE's underworld for years and years and the question I wish to ask you (even though I can foresee the flaming) is why are they hated so much? There are many things one can do to avoid being suicide ganked in EVE and as a person who has been suicide ganked twice because of my own laziness (because you know the best thing to transport a 500mill blueprint is a bestower with only cargo expanders and 50% armor) yet I was not mad at the situation I learned and I adapted.

I recently started suicide ganking haulers myself and what I find most strange is that I get the most hate not from the gankee but the surrounding people in local some of the people I have ganked have even convo'd me and we have had quite decent talks (one guy I was speaking to wanted to learn how to suicide gank himself and after speaking with him for an hour I contracted his loot back!) is it because of 'organisations' such as the new order (of which I very much enjoy reading minerbumping.com james 315's arrogance highly amuses me) or maybe it is because of the likes of burn jita and hulkageddon.

I notice a lot of people have a false sense of security in high security space and maybe this is the problem but just because some is named high security why should you feel safe?? I would not carry everything in my bank on me walking around a high security prison so why would I do it in EVE?

Lots of love

Your friendly neighborhood ganker :)



It's kinda hard to warm up to Leeches, Fleas and Ticks. You get the idea.



Please do elaborate.



Hmm i believe he's trying to suggest those that 'Gank' are parasites that feed off of the joy of others......


It's hard to tell with all the Drool coming out of his mouth..
Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-09-11 08:38:35 UTC

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It's kinda hard to warm up to Leeches, Fleas and Ticks. You get the idea.
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Yet it's easier to warm up to a corpse? Is that now what a afk miner is a flying corpse? Well if you like to cosey up to corpse who are we to stop you.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#68 - 2013-09-11 09:54:28 UTC
Aldus Dumbledore wrote:

It's kinda hard to warm up to Leeches, Fleas and Ticks. You get the idea.

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#69 - 2013-09-11 10:23:50 UTC
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I recently started suicide ganking haulers myself and what I find most strange is that I get the most hate not from the gankee but the surrounding people in local


You know, I started suicide ganking recently myself (all hail James 315!), and I was wondering the very same thing.

Is it that traumatic, to have your bubble of inferred safety popped? Or, what, is it a false expectation being dashed by proxy of someone else getting ganked near you? I am genuinely confused about why the vast majority of the hate I have received is from people who weren't even in the belt at the time. Is it simply fear? I mean, come on, if you weren't ganked, and you're smart enough to avoid me in the future, it's no skin off your back.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-09-11 16:51:25 UTC
I think CCP should figure a way pilots can cash in carebear tears at a loyalty point store. I mean you get LP for missions why not add it to this aspect of the game as well. Maybe make a Sansha LP store in lowsec or something Smile
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#71 - 2013-09-11 18:17:10 UTC
IIshira wrote:
For mission runners... Don't fit a a complete faction, deeadspace or officer fit. Yes it might be cool to have all 8 guns faction or officer but T2 will work as good or better. Instead of fitting a faction or deadspace SBA fit T2. That 1.5 percent extra isn't worth making yourself a target.


Unless some weapon and skill descriptions are wrong, you definitely are better off with T2 guns because faction, etc can't use advanced ammo and don't get the specialization skill bonuses. Sometimes faction, etc mods are necessary for fitting purposes, but yeah, no need to run missions in a 38 billion ISK CNR like this one http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19534962 when a 1 billion one works just fine.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#72 - 2013-09-11 22:48:08 UTC
IIshira wrote:
I've done suicide ganking and have been the victim of a failed suicide gank attempt. Here's my two cents

For miners... Fit a tank and many gankers will avoid you. I've always had a neutral scan down my targets looking for ones that didn't fit a tank.

For haulers... Don't haul more than 100 mil ISK worth of stuff in a T1 hauler. If you need to haul more make multiple trips, use a freighter, or use Red/ Blue Frog

For mission runners... Don't fit a a complete faction, deeadspace or officer fit. Yes it might be cool to have all 8 guns faction or officer but T2 will work as good or better. Instead of fitting a faction or deadspace SBA fit T2. That 1.5 percent extra isn't worth making yourself a target.


All good advice.

The only faction modules worth using on PVE boats, IMO, are 10/100MN MWDs (cap penalties on T2 are enormous) and active local repair modules. Other than that fly cheap and disposable ships - you're less likely to get hunted and when you do you can laugh the loss off.

For fitting reasons some HACs might also consider Serpentis faction active armor hardeners (same performance as T2 which makes them cheap, but much less CPU).

I follow this advice when I'm forced to PVE to rebuild security status.

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Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-09-12 09:55:52 UTC
Because aside from the obvious implications of ruining someone's time, it's the laziest way to do it. In fact, so lazy it's rather formulaic with what can be considered a standardized fit you don't even need to think about on your own terms, just snag the universal fit and fly to a belt.

It's about as robotic and brainless as the miners these sort claim to hate and be against. But least the miners have more variety and self-tweaks to their barge fits, hence, more human.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#74 - 2013-09-12 10:35:56 UTC
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Because aside from the obvious implications of ruining someone's time, it's the laziest way to do it. In fact, so lazy it's rather formulaic with what can be considered a standardized fit you don't even need to think about on your own terms, just snag the universal fit and fly to a belt.

It's about as robotic and brainless as the miners these sort claim to hate and be against. But least the miners have more variety and self-tweaks to their barge fits, hence, more human.


You obviously havnt a clue of what actually goes into Ganking do you? Ugh
Anne McDonald
Sandman are here
#75 - 2013-09-12 11:13:45 UTC
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Because aside from the obvious implications of ruining someone's time, it's the laziest way to do it. In fact, so lazy it's rather formulaic with what can be considered a standardized fit you don't even need to think about on your own terms, just snag the universal fit and fly to a belt.

It's about as robotic and brainless as the miners these sort claim to hate and be against. But least the miners have more variety and self-tweaks to their barge fits, hence, more human.


You obviously havnt a clue of what actually goes into Ganking do you? Ugh


Of course he does! We press F1 and a miner/indy/mission runner dies nothing else to it, usually what people who have not done it before think.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#76 - 2013-09-12 11:37:37 UTC
Anne McDonald wrote:
Hello fellow capuleers

Suicide ganking has been a profession taking up by EVE's underworld for years and years and the question I wish to ask you (even though I can foresee the flaming) is why are they hated so much? There are many things one can do to avoid being suicide ganked in EVE and as a person who has been suicide ganked twice because of my own laziness (because you know the best thing to transport a 500mill blueprint is a bestower with only cargo expanders and 50% armor) yet I was not mad at the situation I learned and I adapted.

I recently started suicide ganking haulers myself and what I find most strange is that I get the most hate not from the gankee but the surrounding people in local some of the people I have ganked have even convo'd me and we have had quite decent talks (one guy I was speaking to wanted to learn how to suicide gank himself and after speaking with him for an hour I contracted his loot back!) is it because of 'organisations' such as the new order (of which I very much enjoy reading minerbumping.com james 315's arrogance highly amuses me) or maybe it is because of the likes of burn jita and hulkageddon.

I notice a lot of people have a false sense of security in high security space and maybe this is the problem but just because some is named high security why should you feel safe?? I would not carry everything in my bank on me walking around a high security prison so why would I do it in EVE?

Lots of love

Your friendly neighborhood ganker :)




When bored folks from my corp often do some suicide ganking in nearby high sec areas when we are on deployments. Between ops they usually go out killing mining bears, missioners, haulers etc. Often solo. Sometimes in small groups. Virtually everyone in corp is negative ten anyway all the time so the sec status is kind of irrelevant to us.

When someone gets angry about it we link them a customer satisfaction form for the service we just offered them. The results go to a forum that collects the comments. Sometimes the gankee is all tears. Often, however, they are amused and post real answers to the questions provided in the survey. Not all are upset. Some realize the risk is there and choose to take it anyway.