Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The single specific value tanking has, is that it delays destruction.

Mind numbingly obvious to some, yet others are not catching the real point to this.

If you do NOT have DPS coming, and you are NOT going to be leaving due to being pointed, your destruction still happens.

If your destruction still happens, the tank made no difference, and had no significance as a result.

Soap bubble or ping pong ball, it needs to get out of the way before the hammer hits it.

Gate camps are the reason the BR is used at all, since the T1 haulers often have more capacity.
If the DST can't match this ability, and it is not currently, then it has no value above a T1 for most uses.

I see potential in one or two, but not in three.

Unless it is a group of them, and they can out fight the gate campers present, it lacks effectiveness.

It needs a reliable expectation to avoid a fight, through a combination of effort and ability, that compares to the BR.

3. Would be probably the more spectacular and fun. It would be epic, at least as concept... we know that the iteration is not possible including both "non-overpowered" and "not useless in reality". Pity.

1 and 2. Dunno... i would still make more trip with a BR and a single trip with a 1. DS (Means i would only fly it if i really need to pack one or more items bigger than BR cargo). On the other side 2 would cross too much into JF by giving a huge cargo, while on the other side a small bay it would put too much a logistic effort for few km3 (cyno, alt, "risk", fuel)...

Nice ideas but i can't see how to balance.

25% of the same racial JF capacity.
(Since the JF skill specifies 5% bonus per level, that should also be present.)

For Caldari, JF 294,375 m3 becomes DST 73,594

Amarr JF 275,625 / DST 68,907

Gallente JF 281,250 / DST 70,313

Minmatar JF 270,000 / DST 67,500

I figure this should be enough to be worthwhile, but not overwhelming to a JF.
Also, make the Cyno distance, if using instead of MJD, the same as the BLOPs, 3.5ly
(Compared to normal JF 5ly)

I think that would really work.

Those numbers should be plenty. I was thinking the unassembled volume was higher on cruisers (was thinking they were around 40km3 unassembled - I don't ferry unassembled ships often). But, an unassembled Drake would be around 15km3, so with those above numbers, you could store four plus enough modules to outfit them. Also a single battleship and one BC unassembled with modules, A tower and Hanger Array with lots of fuel as well.

Yeah, I think that is a good sweet spot.



Yeah, I would agree on this as well. Jump Freighters should do substantially more and do it more efficiently. I'd almost say that to move the same amount of stuff as a JF, it should cost the DST twice as much fuel.

The more useful ships would be carriers or the Jump Freighter, as both of those require jump skills and if you are planning on doing transportation of any type you would be seriously looking at those anyway. As far as using a carrier, yes it would be a better option if you also wanted to train things like fighters and battleship IV, and capital ship skills. But if you wanted stick to a pure industrial character, the progression with this DST to Jump Freighter would make sense anyways. Second, a DST does have an advantage over the carrier in that you can stage it out of high-sec like a JF. Third, and probably the most important when comparing the two, is that the capacitor of the DST will recharge quicker than the capital ship. This will allow the DST the option to cyno into non-station systems without gardnering too much attention.

This is a ship designed to give smaller entities or more individual players a way of transporting a decent amount of material, be it minerals, ammo, modules, ships, etc to locations more difficult in null-sec/low-sec to reach.

Added to above list.

Ok my initial presentation was a little rushed, it was 2am and I was sleepy. The idea of a system jump capable DST I think would be very workable. The module would be similar to an MJD, the fuel would be a capacitor reserve, eg; the ship would have it's normal capacitor plus a jump drive fuel capacitor. We don't need a mini JF reliant on cynos.

The cyno type notification seen by anyone in system when you jump is only visible for maybe 30 seconds in the system you jump from and 30 seconds in the system you jump to. This lets people know there is a DST nearby without actually making it to easy for them to find it. Once you land in the destination system you can warp off and if it is a route you use regularly could have safe spots saved ahead of time. Having a 1 min no cloak no dock penalty means the ship is not invulnerable, although 1 min seems an eternity when there are combats out you just need to be smarter than the prober.

The idea of fixed cargo size independent of low slots should be a given but the compromise to keep a balance, DST lose the +2 warp strength bonus, 2 lows, 2 mids, 1 high, for all 4 DST class. 45k/m cargo capacity would be a good amount, it is the largest subcap hauler but not large enough to consider replacing a JF. A good size for a nulsec / lowsec corp or small alliance to use for logistics needs and also handy for the big alliances to use for the small jobs where a JF is not required.
The Ship would have very limited fitting options but then it is able in theory to avoid contact with any nasties that may require you to need a good tank. The 2 lows could be fit with warpcore stabs for the unfortunate time you do get scanned down, 2 mids 10mn MWD and medium ancillary shield booster, 1 high slot, cloak (not covert).

If CCP build it.-. I will use it.

For real. Though, I kind of get the impression they don't care a ton about haulers. It's a pretty small percentage of the playerbase, after all.

Just to add to the needs of some needed agility buffs. Cap requirements for warp. Holy cow. That REALLY needs to be reduced. Anything over 7 jumps can get pretty painful, especially in Null.

CCP, just what exactly were you guys thinking when you designed the DST, anyways?