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Eve Miners Guide to the New Order of Highsec (A.K.A. James 315 and his gang), Part 1

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#141 - 2013-09-10 19:17:39 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kharmha wrote:

even to the point of using throwaway toons to purposely draw concord ships to the belts simply for the

protection from gankers they gave.


There are two bannable offences being used here.



Hey genius its only a bannable offence if you delete the character due to a low sec status. Pulling concord off the belt doesnt count or all gankers would be banned for pulling them off also. Its okay we understand your special.


Theyarnt pulling concord from the belt they are using them as invincible bodyguards.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2013-09-10 19:51:12 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:


Two questions:

1. Why do you care so much?
2. Why are you so mad?

I could care less as to who ganked who, with what ship, or how their story was told. No one is even talking about the OP and you're just bringing attention to it.

Lastly, the Brooklyn Bridge is maintained by the New York City Department of Transportation


I care so much because "so much" is a variable quantity that could refer to any quantity of "much", be it zero or infinite--therefore, by definition, I care "so much".

I'm so mad because "so mad" is a variable quantity that could refer to any quantity of mad, be it zero or infinite, etc.

When you say you could care less, I agree completely. If you cared less, you wouldn't be posting here; but you don't care less, so you are posting here.

I'm bringing attention to the OP, because the OP lied, poorly, and I don't want those lies to be propagated any further, as that would lower the quality of discourse in general.

I'm glad that I could clear up these important questions for you.
Crimson Gauntlet
Six Gun Sound
#143 - 2013-09-10 19:54:17 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
While that kind of behavior is under no circumstances acceptable, it also kind of proves my point... your actions brought this reaction (as misguided as it might be) about... yea, it's a game, and yea, the boundaries should be clear cut, alas they aren't always and for everyone.


Hey, highsec miners!

You want to know what "Blaming the victim" really is? It isn't telling you that should have tanked your ship (or, you know, been awake when 5 neg tens show up in local).

It's this. It's telling someone that real life stalking and threats pf physical violence are warranted in any way, shape or form by actions in a freaking video game.

That goes so far beyond the pale, that although I have never once reported anyone on this forum, I am considering reporting you, Shalua Rui.
Number of times my posts have come in after the dev/mod locked the thread:  1
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2013-09-10 20:00:14 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:

I'm bringing attention to the OP, because the OP lied, poorly, and I don't want those lies to be propagated any further, as that would lower the quality of discourse in general.


Agreed!

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#145 - 2013-09-10 20:00:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Jenn aSide wrote:
I won't post about this further...


...which I deem a good decision, since you clearly lack the ability to keep your emotional distance in a polarizing discussion.

Jenn aSide wrote:
...but you should be ashamed of yourself.


Thanks for the suggestion, I'll consider doing so when there is an actual reason for it.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2013-09-10 20:14:39 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I really doubt it, considering spawning or moving CONCORD away from a gank is allowed. Have you heard that from an official source?


moving them to attack is fine. using them as personal defense force is an exploit
it is known

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#147 - 2013-09-10 20:18:49 UTC
Crimson Gauntlet wrote:
That goes so far beyond the pale, that although I have never once reported anyone on this forum, I am considering reporting you, Shalua Rui.


If you really are under the impression I actually meant that, then by all means, report me... but make sure to read all of my comments first.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-09-10 20:21:48 UTC
I don't understand why you guys are taking Shalua Rui"s post out of context. I do not think she is justifying the actions taken, but is commenting on the fact that when you intentionally **** someone off, you can never be sure how they will react.

I don't see her saying "it's her fault she got harassed since she was wearing that short skirt" but is commenting that if you want to limit the amount of harassment you may get, adjusting your wardrobe accordingly helps.

But when you say you want to gank for the "tears"... be careful of what you ask for.

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#149 - 2013-09-10 20:32:08 UTC
Wall o' text strikes for critical damage. Eyes offline.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2013-09-10 20:39:19 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

I don't see her saying "it's her fault she got harassed since she was wearing that short skirt" but is commenting that if you want to limit the amount of harassment you may get, adjusting your wardrobe accordingly helps.


That's basically the same, it shifts the blame from the offender to the victim.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#151 - 2013-09-10 20:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Murk Paradox wrote:
I don't see her saying "it's her fault she got harassed since she was wearing that short skirt" but is commenting that if you want to limit the amount of harassment you may get, adjusting your wardrobe accordingly helps.


Thanks, but don't bother... I actually wasn't even going THAT far, since this topic is very tricky, especially for me... my mistake was to try and talk logically and objectively about the actions of New Order and other people like them, and how said actions might impact other peoples enjoyment of the game... a discussion that seams to be impossible on a reasonable level. *shrugs*

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2013-09-10 20:45:47 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

I don't see her saying "it's her fault she got harassed since she was wearing that short skirt" but is commenting that if you want to limit the amount of harassment you may get, adjusting your wardrobe accordingly helps.


That's basically the same, it shifts the blame from the offender to the victim.



No, it's more like "buyer beware".

You think it's fun and funny to trip someone and laugh as they fall... but if they get up and punch you in the nose the world seems to fall apart.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#153 - 2013-09-10 20:47:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Also, I'm stil not entirely clear on this. Is pulling CONCORD onto grid for protection once an exploit?


What motivation could a suicide ganker possibly have to convince you that a suicide ganking defense is an exploit?

What motivation could a suicide ganker possibly have to tell their victims how to protect themselves? Yet they do, on a regular basis, and have done so for some time.

Yup. 'Cause if miners were smart enough to make ganking hard, they'd also be doing well enough I wouldn't have to listen to 'em kvetch about being ganked. Which is what makes me gank 'em in the first place.

Yeah, I know - circular argument. But I got so tired of the whining, I decided to help give 'em a *reason* to whine.
(Kinda like your mum did, when you were a wee annoying sprat, and wanted something she wasn't going to give you)
ashley Eoner
#154 - 2013-09-10 20:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
This thread is unintentionally hilarious. This James fellow must have quite a few alts posting here to keep this steaming pile going.


All I can say to James or any of you failure gankers is "come get some" cause I love laughing at your failures.


Plastic Psycho wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Also, I'm stil not entirely clear on this. Is pulling CONCORD onto grid for protection once an exploit?


What motivation could a suicide ganker possibly have to convince you that a suicide ganking defense is an exploit?

What motivation could a suicide ganker possibly have to tell their victims how to protect themselves? Yet they do, on a regular basis, and have done so for some time.

Yup. 'Cause if miners were smart enough to make ganking hard, they'd also be doing well enough I wouldn't have to listen to 'em kvetch about being ganked. Which is what makes me gank 'em in the first place.

Yeah, I know - circular argument. But I got so tired of the whining, I decided to help give 'em a *reason* to whine.
(Kinda like your mum did, when you were a wee annoying sprat, and wanted something she wasn't going to give you)

It's impossible to make ganking "hard" it quite simply is the easiest thing to do in this game other then maybe distribution missions.


It takes more skill to effectively bump people.
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#155 - 2013-09-10 20:56:37 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
This thread is unintentionally hilarious. This James fellow must have quite a few alts posting here to keep this steaming pile going.


All I can say to James or any of you failure gankers is "come get some" cause I love laughing at your failures.


Plastic Psycho wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Also, I'm stil not entirely clear on this. Is pulling CONCORD onto grid for protection once an exploit?


What motivation could a suicide ganker possibly have to convince you that a suicide ganking defense is an exploit?

What motivation could a suicide ganker possibly have to tell their victims how to protect themselves? Yet they do, on a regular basis, and have done so for some time.

Yup. 'Cause if miners were smart enough to make ganking hard, they'd also be doing well enough I wouldn't have to listen to 'em kvetch about being ganked. Which is what makes me gank 'em in the first place.

Yeah, I know - circular argument. But I got so tired of the whining, I decided to help give 'em a *reason* to whine.
(Kinda like your mum did, when you were a wee annoying sprat, and wanted something she wasn't going to give you)

It's impossible to make ganking "hard" it quite simply is the easiest thing to do in this game other then maybe distribution missions.


It takes more skill to effectively bump people.


thank you for your input mr alt internet tough guy.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#156 - 2013-09-10 20:56:45 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
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Plastic Psycho wrote:

Yup. 'Cause if miners were smart enough to make ganking hard, they'd also be doing well enough I wouldn't have to listen to 'em kvetch about being ganked. Which is what makes me gank 'em in the first place.

Yeah, I know - circular argument. But I got so tired of the whining, I decided to help give 'em a *reason* to whine.
(Kinda like your mum did, when you were a wee annoying sprat, and wanted something she wasn't going to give you)

It's impossible to make ganking "hard" it quite simply is the easiest thing to do in this game other then maybe distribution missions.
I'll grant that 'hard' is a relative term but other than that, you're mistaken - if miners took sensible precautions, such as mining in well-tanked Skiffs or Procurers, the ganks would go down considerably - on barges. Most gankers don't come in well-organized swarms. Haulers would probably be the next FotM for solo gankers.


S Byerley wrote:
Mostly ridicule, also a little bit of misdirection. The suggestions are always wildly impractical so it really doesn't hurt any.

Not so. Indeed, I learned how not to get ganked from a ganker, and I pass that same sage advice forward.
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2013-09-10 21:01:17 UTC
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ashley Eoner
#158 - 2013-09-10 21:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Plastic Psycho wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
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Plastic Psycho wrote:

Yup. 'Cause if miners were smart enough to make ganking hard, they'd also be doing well enough I wouldn't have to listen to 'em kvetch about being ganked. Which is what makes me gank 'em in the first place.

Yeah, I know - circular argument. But I got so tired of the whining, I decided to help give 'em a *reason* to whine.
(Kinda like your mum did, when you were a wee annoying sprat, and wanted something she wasn't going to give you)

It's impossible to make ganking "hard" it quite simply is the easiest thing to do in this game other then maybe distribution missions.
I'll grant that 'hard' is a relative term but other than that, you're mistaken - if miners took sensible precautions, such as mining in well-tanked Skiffs or Procurers, the ganks would go down considerably - on barges. Most gankers don't come in well-organized swarms. Haulers would probably be the next FotM for solo gankers.


S Byerley wrote:
Mostly ridicule, also a little bit of misdirection. The suggestions are always wildly impractical so it really doesn't hurt any.

Not so. Indeed, I learned how not to get ganked from a ganker, and I pass that same sage advice forward.
Then you would just need a few more alts or use a better ship.

A heavily tanked skiff still has less EHP then most battleships used in incursions and yet people still gank them.

Granted I've seen some spectacular fail talos gank attempts at some incursions lately but that's the fault of the fail gankers not the concept.

I'm tired of the stupidity that has been exhibited here. THe gross generalization of miners and the attempt at propagating a myth that the only reason people gank miners is because they NEVER EVER have a tank....

If the gankers had any real skill and weren't so lazy they would be out there making big isk off mission runners and such. People who are notorious for running the smallest tank possible..

You don't get 70 billion isk ravens every day but there are plenty of multibillion isk mission ships out there with tiny tanks waiting to be taken.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#159 - 2013-09-10 21:06:55 UTC
Kharmha wrote:
(To be Continued)

Are

you

a

James

alt?

Nah, he's less incomprehensible.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#160 - 2013-09-10 21:26:53 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I like listening to TS recordings of scams about as much as I like listening to prank call recordings. Which is to say, not at all. So I haven't listened to any of Erotica 1's recordings. But normal definitions of "harassing someone outside of game" usually include posting the victims real name/address on web sites, making threatening calls, etc. I'd not normally call a consensual TS conversation as harassing someone. If I stand outside my house naked, I can hardly claim the neighbors are pervs for looking at my awesome nudditry.

So hopefully there is something more to the claim than an audio recording of a guy getting scammed out of make believe "assets".
They took a clearly easily led guy, and pushed him to embarrass himself in front of his family for over an hour with promises of restoring the damage they'd done to him in game when they scammed him, and asked him to rob his corp to give them some extra isk, which he did, then they told him they were just doing it to wind him up, asked if they could post the audio, to which he said no, so they publicly posted it anyway. They guy was clearly not the brightest spark, and they used that to bully him, because he was easy prey.

Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Honestly, I just don't "get it". Maybe it's just mental block from being a hardcore pen/paper RPGer, but, barring ToS issues, I could hand Lady Fappington to someone else, and all that bad evil ganker reputation goes right with it. I could go buy a superbear from the bazaar, and bring over all the rep that such a char would hold with bears. I could start a new account and become a New Order Hunter, and be loved by all the miners. That's how CCP designed the game. The obsession with getting to the person behind the screen doesn't appeal. Heck, I've even been known to gank someone, then turn around and hand them ISK, because they were cool about and treated it like a game.
Yes, you don't get it. Because you are obviously not the type to get upset at over the internet social interaction. Not everyone is like you however. There are all types that play this game. You are obviously smart enough to understand that you do cause some people quite a bit of upset, and you guys respond to that by furthering it. And honestly if I had to chose a group to keep, I'd chose crying little carebears over most of the egotistic pricks I've seen from New Order. Not everything is about how YOU see it. Have some moral decorum.

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