Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They are not victims of scams, they are victims of greed, plain and simple.



Most likely this scam is used because of the amount of tears it generates. Any and all monetary gains are just a nice bonus.



So just because I'm opposing your silly ideas makes me a scammer? Sterling argumentation :)

Margin trading is fine as it is. Every now and then an angry highsec dweller comes along and cries about life not being fair, about there not being anything in the "SupriseBoxes", about his 15 bil atron being ganked outside jita 4-4, about a bag of rare crap bought in local not really being worth 2 bil on the market buy orders.

Eve isnt fair and it never should be fair.

You want less Scam? Improve the UI so can Identity scams faster (if your able to read of course).

Training Common-Sense to level 2 should fix your problem with this "scam".

It is easy enough to avoid beeing scammed by checking the market details on the specific item either using the ingame market and out-of-game tools.
No need to fix what isn't broken.

I don't even have the margin trader skill injected, let alone use it on any character I use.

Your fundamental problem seems to be your lack of understanding how this scam works, therefore missing the ways that are already available to avoid being caught out.

Price checking an item, is not gained by taking the over priced buy order as the correct value of an item. You need more knowledge of an items price, gained from the market in different regions. If you only take the buy order as the indicator, or choose not to gain more knowledge, you are to blame.

The actual scam relies upon you buying the overpriced items. So if you do have the knowledge required to make investments, you would avoid such over priced items. But being caught out, simply means you paid over the odds for something, which was your fault. You still have those items and can sell them, but at a loss. A loss which was your fault, due to lack of knowledge.

The whole point is that those who dive into these deals, do so thinking they are going to make a quick buck. A quick buck off someone, who has seemingly sold an item for less then someone else seems to want to pay for it. It seems that greed for some in these situations, takes precedence over knowledge. This is their undoing and they only have themselves to blame.

Oh and Eve is a harsh dark universe, please don't try to compare it to real life because that's ridiculous.

It's fun to watch the nutters compare EVE to real life. Market manipulation or fraud is illegal in the real world, and a bad thing that should be prevented. Sure. So is murder, theft, other forms of scamming, etc. They're all allowed in EVE because it's a game. You can't drag real world laws and morals into this because it's a game. The fact you seem to not understand the difference is incredibly scary.

People who put up these margin trading orders lose money if the order fails. Nothing more needs to be done.

Well one thing needs to be done: You need to do your research when playing the markets, this is your fault and your fault alone. It is not a problem with mechanics.

Tears for the tear bucket please

In real life, trading on margin is using borrowed money to buy things. If I lose the borrowed money, the bank loses the money they loaned me.

In EVE, the margin trading skill has nothing to do with borrowing money. If I can't complete the escrow, the only thing that happens is that I'm out the broker fee without having a completed transaction to show for it. The seller is left entirely whole, having lost nothing due to the order failing.


And that's where that particular argument falls apart.

Since practically none of you are posting anything constructive on the matter and are merely regurgitating the same "I want to be able to cheat anyone I please; it's not my fault, it's their fault" scumbag rhetoric as always, I'm not going to be bothering to respond to such vapid posts beyond this point. There is no logical or reasonable argument being presented from any of you for why the margin trading system should not be fixed; your only obvious interest is in keeping the system as it is so that you can continue to exploit other players for your own sick amusement. That EVE Online is a game is no excuse for you to treat the real Human beings on the other end of each character as inanimate objects for you to use and abuse at your leisure; such an attitude is deplorable, and speaks to your lack of integrity in the real world.

I sincerely hope CCP does do something to fix the margin trading system, if for nothing else to protect the undeserving victims of such scams from the greed and bile of sociopaths like you.

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