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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#141 - 2013-09-10 14:29:42 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


Do you understand that your little translation runs counter to the themes, mechanics, and rules that this game was designed around and spent ten years enjoying? Do you understand that CCP have explicitly made it a selling point of this game that in the quest for your own personal gain and entertainment you can kick over someone elses sandcastle?

I hope you do, otherwise you might be playing the wrong game to begin with.



You can kick over a sandcastle while being yourself. I see no problem here at all.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kumail Nanjiani
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2013-09-10 14:32:59 UTC


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As guard posted last night, we'll look into this today for you guys..

I'm going to take your concerns, and the concerns highlighted by the CSM directly to the GM Team to get this all ironed out. Whether this is a full explanation of the wording change in detail, or alteration to the wording is to be decided, of course.

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The irony though is that the people that elect the CSM and continually manipulate you developers are the same people who don't spend any money on the game, because they are advanced enough to earn their PLEX, while hard working newbros such as myself, who have put thousands of dollars into the game get the shaft, and it's not cool. you should start listening more to the people who feed your family and keep a roof over your head.
Lady Areola Fappington
#143 - 2013-09-10 14:34:05 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:


I understand the need to keep rules vague, in order to prevent people from tapdancing to the line. In this case, your wording honestly is way too vauge. It has a chilling effect on the metagame we all know and love.


Translation: It's like one player can't fck over the other no more!

I think it's hilarious! The amount of tears coming from people who play the game in the vilest manner and are the lowest form of scum in the game are crying because they're going to have to move up one rung up the ladder descending directly into the poop chute of Eve, it's plain simple hilarity!

With that said, I'm also not one for lots of rules and especially those that are so vague that simply having a name similar to another toon might get me banned for no other reason than being here. *shakes head*







Your second line hits the nail on the head with me. I'm not an active scammer (I did non consensually borrow some isk from a gentleman who let a pretty voice on comms override his common sense), so if CCP does intend to remove chunks of scamming, it won't impact my game.

If CCP wants to get rid of scamming, then they should specifically say it. Overbroad and vague clauses that can be misinterpreted is not the way to do it. Kept the way it is, this will just generate huge masses of support tickets as people try to find exactly where "the line" sits, masses of tickets as people try to "petition war" their enemies into a ban, and a burned out, confused GM team who're stuck trying to interpret a clause that honestly can't be applied.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Catlos JeminJees
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2013-09-10 14:37:48 UTC
Kumail Nanjiani wrote:




As guard posted last night, we'll look into this today for you guys..

I'm going to take your concerns, and the concerns highlighted by the CSM directly to the GM Team to get this all ironed out. Whether this is a full explanation of the wording change in detail, or alteration to the wording is to be decided, of course.

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The irony though is that the people that elect the CSM and continually manipulate you developers are the same people who don't spend any money on the game, because they are advanced enough to earn their PLEX, while hard working newbros such as myself, who have put thousands of dollars into the game get the shaft, and it's not cool. you should start listening more to the people who feed your family and keep a roof over your head.
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Keep in mind that those people that dont spend money on the game are forcing you to spend money on the game.

Also you said you are a new bro and have spent thousands so dollars in the game? you sir are doing it wrong...
Condordia Apoclypia
Doomheim
#145 - 2013-09-10 14:38:37 UTC
Kumail Nanjiani wrote:




As guard posted last night, we'll look into this today for you guys..

I'm going to take your concerns, and the concerns highlighted by the CSM directly to the GM Team to get this all ironed out. Whether this is a full explanation of the wording change in detail, or alteration to the wording is to be decided, of course.

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The irony though is that the people that elect the CSM and continually manipulate you developers are the same people who don't spend any money on the game, because they are advanced enough to earn their PLEX, while hard working newbros such as myself, who have put thousands of dollars into the game get the shaft, and it's not cool. you should start listening more to the people who feed your family and keep a roof over your head.
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uuh plex arnt from thin air , every plex ingame is paid from real moeny , ccp even makes more money with plex then normal sub.
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#146 - 2013-09-10 14:40:57 UTC
Let us keep the conversation on topic and focused on the issue at hand.

No need to argue PLEX versus subs here.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Lady Areola Fappington
#147 - 2013-09-10 14:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
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7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-09-10 14:52:33 UTC
One of the great things about EVE is the "hook". Also why DUST is failing.

EVE is the only game around where there is a sandbox where you can play sociopaths in space, scammer extraordinaire, megalomaniac that commits war crimes, super spy that takes down empires, robber who specializes in thefts, cruel pirate, economy shaping market warlord, etc.

These are the things that make EVE better than any other game out there for those that enjoy interacting in a world with those archtypes. Ships in space while a niche, is not truly the niche that makes EVE excel. It is the broad and deep and endless possibilities of the sandbox itself.

In general the Goon position is for an expansive sandbox as possible. Scamming is not my playstyle of choice and I have never participated in it, but I do love the new stories and drama it generates. Impersonation is a cornerstone of many scams and I would not like to see that leave EVE.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#149 - 2013-09-10 14:54:10 UTC
Aryth wrote:
One of the great things about EVE is the "hook". Also why DUST is failing.

EVE is the only game around where there is a sandbox where you can play sociopaths in space, scammer extraordinaire, megalomaniac that commits war crimes, super spy that takes down empires, robber who specializes in thefts, cruel pirate, economy shaping market warlord, etc.

These are the things that make EVE better than any other game out there for those that enjoy interacting in a world with those archtypes. Ships in space while a niche, is not truly the niche that makes EVE excel. It is the broad and deep and endless possibilities of the sandbox itself.

In general the Goon position is for an expansive sandbox as possible. Scamming is not my playstyle of choice and I have never participated in it, but I do love the new stories and drama it generates. Impersonation is a cornerstone of many scams and I would not like to see that leave EVE.




Sandbox and litterbox are not the same.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2013-09-10 14:57:27 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


Do you understand that your little translation runs counter to the themes, mechanics, and rules that this game was designed around and spent ten years enjoying? Do you understand that CCP have explicitly made it a selling point of this game that in the quest for your own personal gain and entertainment you can kick over someone elses sandcastle?

I hope you do, otherwise you might be playing the wrong game to begin with.


There is scamming and then there are mechanics that allow for the complete undermining of the game. Impersonation, to the extent that has been allowed undermines the game, does not allow a person to easily build a reputation and/or service when 499,999 other toons can attempt to impersonate that one with zero consequences. The new rule does more to mirror RL than anything else .RL laws still don't prevent you from impersonation though, it does put consequences out there if you're caught. I guess, now you have in game consequences. Deal with it.

Or maybe, impersonation became so pervasive that CCP got tired of dealing with the problems that it creates.

Either way, it would have been better to make an in-game mechanic to deal with such offenders rather than a TOS declaration for all forms of impersonation rather than just for CCP/GM impersonation.

Don't ban me, bro!
TharOkha
0asis Group
#151 - 2013-09-10 14:59:08 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Condordia Apoclypia wrote:
Those scams should be stopped , other scamms already bad enough , lots of new bros who got scammed the first week are going and never return.

I like the servers go online a decade more, eve always had a nice position in the mmo sc-fi genre , that wouldnt be long tho

really good change


Dont you think that this is the exactly the reason why EVE is here for over 10 years now? Being scammed in the first days in EVE is the ultimate exam and tutorial for newcomer .If you fall for scam there are two options

1. Emo-Rage and quit
2. Emo-Rage, quit, and return.

EVE is not just for smart people but mainly for patient people. Thats why EVE is here for so long, thats why is EVE writting headlines in prestige journals. Thats why EVE is in the eyes of real world economists, sociologists and journalists.

You know the principles of evolution, right? Survival of the fittest. Now what CCP is doing is "placing an obstacles" into this principle and thus destroying the sandbox gameplay. I sense EAnfluence already.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#152 - 2013-09-10 15:01:20 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

Or maybe, impersonation became so pervasive that CCP got tired of dealing with the problems that it creates.



True words there.

And probably about to become true as well concerning miner bumping issues.

Those petitions have got to be eating up time and resources.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#153 - 2013-09-10 15:05:10 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
The new rule does more to mirror RL than anything else .

Ban all scamming

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2013-09-10 15:13:59 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:


I understand the need to keep rules vague, in order to prevent people from tapdancing to the line. In this case, your wording honestly is way too vauge. It has a chilling effect on the metagame we all know and love.


Translation: It's like one player can't fck over the other no more!

I think it's hilarious! The amount of tears coming from people who play the game in the vilest manner and are the lowest form of scum in the game are crying because they're going to have to move up one rung up the ladder descending directly into the poop chute of Eve, it's plain simple hilarity!

With that said, I'm also not one for lots of rules and especially those that are so vague that simply having a name similar to another toon might get me banned for no other reason than being here. *shakes head*


CCP uses this image to market the game. The ability to be bad is literally a selling point.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#155 - 2013-09-10 15:20:09 UTC
Hisec forum warriors claim soon-to-be-reversed GM incompetent overreach as sign of major shift in game philosophy.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Lady Areola Fappington
#156 - 2013-09-10 15:22:41 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:

CCP uses this image to market the game. The ability to be bad is literally a selling point.


To some, be the villain means "Only engage in piracy in low/null, where combat is expected and consented to. All ransoms must be honored. Targets will be verified if newb or not, and if newb, they'll be left alone.

Scamming, awoxing, ganking, bumping, and nonconsensual wardecs are not things that an isolated from humanity, immortal, hypercompetitive posthuman being with no effective limits on their behaviour (as according to lore) would do.

Star Trek is the future, man.



On that note, some of you guys need to go pick up The Empyrean Age, a book written about the EVE universe. The Broker is a capsuleer (sorta), and he pulls crap that make some of these complaints look tame. THAT'S the vision CCP has for the EVE universe.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
The Git
Mercantile and Stuff
#157 - 2013-09-10 15:24:15 UTC
The game is about space ships, asteroids, pew pew, stations, fighting.........but don't some of you get the impression that the game is becoming defined by how ****** you can treat other players?

I've tried to bring several people into the game...only to see them leave fairly quickly for a combination of two influences; the complexity of the game coupled with what they felt was a needless level of paranoia caused by the constant worry that someone, anyone, everyone, is trying to steal your stuff.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2013-09-10 15:35:51 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:

CCP uses this image to market the game. The ability to be bad is literally a selling point.


To some, be the villain means "Only engage in piracy in low/null, where combat is expected and consented to. All ransoms must be honored. Targets will be verified if newb or not, and if newb, they'll be left alone.

Scamming, awoxing, ganking, bumping, and nonconsensual wardecs are not things that an isolated from humanity, immortal, hypercompetitive posthuman being with no effective limits on their behaviour (as according to lore) would do.

Star Trek is the future, man.



On that note, some of you guys need to go pick up The Empyrean Age, a book written about the EVE universe. The Broker is a capsuleer (sorta), and he pulls crap that make some of these complaints look tame. THAT'S the vision CCP has for the EVE universe.


I know you didn't seriously recommend someone pay for those books. I did and I feel eternal shame for it. They are that bad.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2013-09-10 15:38:27 UTC
Does this mean Jarod Garamonde has to stop claiming to be the President of Oursulaert?

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2013-09-10 15:38:47 UTC
The Git wrote:
me...only to see them leave fairly quickly for a combination of two influences; the complexity of the game coupled with what they felt was a needless level of paranoia caused by the constant worry that someone, anyone, everyone, is trying to steal your stuff.


Players leave games all the time because the rules, the setting or the gameplay isn't for them. It has been said multiple times that eve is not for everyone - and that is a good thing.