Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Id like Propose a change to the plexing thats currently going on in faction warfare where ship`s that are kitted with a prototype or improved cloak or named one/faction etc, cannot activate the Plex gate,
wile ships that are actually built for covert ops cloaking and have a covert ops cloaking device installed can use the gates into plexes, such as the bombers, recons etc

There have been far to meny and really annoying moments in Faction warfare where farming toons with 2-3-4 warpcore stabs and a non covert ops cloaking device on there bloody atrons/punishers/tristans , sit in plexes completely safe as they just cloak up as soon as someone comes to there plex or enters it.

It is per today annoying enough having to try to kill the ships that are just warp core stabbed inside the Plexes, without adding the extra difficulty of the Muppets with cloaks, with warpcorestabs which basically gives them almost immunity to getting killed.
and lets not get started on the cloaky ventures plexing ..

Could CCP possibly look into this ?




i would have added have the gate deny ships with WCS fitted entry into the plex, but then i think the forum would have exploded with farmer alts posting like angry badgers..

A good point Tomas.
As far as tactics go - cloaking within plexes is a very safe option and not really in keeping with the spirit of the game or indeed Factional Warfare itself - in my opinion.
I'm all for players wanting to defend themselves - every pilot has that right but being able to go AFK when plexing the FW sites is similar to bot mining which is prohibited.
WCS are a good defense mechanism for those wishing to avoid fights so I'm all for them although there is nothing better than a decent fight :)

As a suggestion, I would recommend that all Cloaking Devices cannot be activated within the 30km beacon activation radius within FW plexes. This will prevent players sitting in plexes AFK.
Either that or the cloaks cannot be activated if there are other players in the plex.

Cloaking devices are there to allow for covert intelligence gathering behind enemy lines and to sneak up on unsuspecting fleets - not to allow an advantage in plexing FW sites.

I would support this suggestion if and only if the plex gate was modified to only allow as many ships to enter the plex from the opposing militia faction and non-militia faction as there are militia ships within the plex.

If you want a fight against people in a plex, come alone. We're not all stupid. If 7 neutrals pop into local and an Atron appears on D-Scan then I will happily cloak up rather than fight. Every time I don't, six more ships arrive at the plex gate and enter the second I am tackled. I fail to see why I should be providing you with easy kills.

As for the suggestion that it is too safe, it is also not gaining us anything. If I cloak then the timer stops ticking down. All I can do is wait for the hostiles to leave and during that time I am not plexing/de-plexing at all. No risk, no reward, seems balanced to me.

[/quote] Another non militia member complaining about not getting easy kills in faction warfare plex's , cry me another bucket load, it's good for the garden. This One
Or this.
Or any number of others from non militia members complaining about how FW members fit their ships.
Did even 1 of you stop to think, maybe people fit ships that way due to being targets for not only enemy militia members but also anyone else who decides to try for an easy kill in a plex? Seriously, if you were in a plex in a frigate and saw 3 or 4 frigates pop up on Dscan, would you stay??[/quote]

You should check info i am in Caldari militia, and ive been in it for over 4 years now on my chars.
also if ur plexing ur a valid target to everyone regardless of militia or standing

Timer rollbacks. Not complicated.

Apologies, I looked up your corp not you, your corp, pillow biters, sorry fighters, does not show as being FW, it shows as belonging to a known griefer alliance.
As for your 2nd comment, is that not exactly what I said? The question I asked was not answered, I'd like to hear from a self confessed pro on how to deal with it when 3 or 4 frigates land in the plex your trying to capture, while participating in militia/FW activities to take control of and upgrade a given system.

I would just say don't have the 30km beacon recognized cloaked ships. you can still be there cloaked (ambushes), but keeps them in the game. Those who want to use them in plexing will need to watch DScan to know when to activate the cloak.

Ahaha, as if someone comes alone , you'll stay and fight in your cloaky warpstabbed frig. Good one

What I used to do, is first - try to de-cloak if i managed to see a glimpse in the overview, and then - stay there till the guy leaves.
Other than that, though one can detest this method of carebearing, it's still legit....

LOL you people are losers, seriously what kind of sad lives must you be living if the only way you can feel better about yourselves is by griefing and harassing noobs... and don't try telling me it's about faction warfare when groups of "l333t's" abuse me in local and chase me around multiple systems while ignoring other wartargets who might actually be able to give them a fight because they have been playing for more than a month.

I use stabs so I can chose my battles and the same goes for most of the people using them, they are noobs like me, thats what nobody mentions when they **** and moan about stabs. They are not players equal to them in experience or skillpoints but vastly inferior pilots who wouldn't stand a chance in a pvp fight against a vet. If you really want to kill noobs with tech1 fits go get more scrams and quit crying in local like your some kind of badass looking for a fight, when all you want to do is pop noobs. If a 5year vet comes to my plex im dead if i sit and fight him, if someone has only been playing a few months comes in I will go after them and take my chances, having stabs allows me to make that choice. Its a legitimate tactic and the only coward is the experienced player who hunts noobs all day to inflate his crappy killboard. I've had a few good fair fights with ppl I consider to be around or slightly above my level, if I warp out when you come in it's not because I always warp out, it's because I warp out when the odds are hopeless, instead of getting mad just go pick a fight with someone who can actually give you a fight.

I sacrifice a lot to fit stabs, apart from the penalty to targeting and resolution it also makes it very difficult to fit webs or scrams because they use up all the cpu, I think that's punishment enough. I look forward to the day I can drop them, because regardless of what you say about "farming" when your constantly running from plexes your lucky to get one plex done in an hour, and at tier1 that amounts to maybe 8000 lp. After I take away all the isk I lose in ships and the time it takes tripping back and forward to high sec for new ones I'd make more isk mining in high sec, but this way I get a little pvp on my terms and it's more interesting if I wasn't constantly getting griefed and harrassed by people for using a fitting that I AM ALLOWED TO USE IF I WANT TO. I've already sold 3 plexes to pay for my losses and that's enough scarificed at the altar of l333t ego for one month, abuse me in local all you want, blob me and spend hours chasing me around multiple systems if that makes you happy... but really your just a scum bag, not a hard man looking for pvp but a troll who wants to pop noobs because your sadly lacking in some other area.

Last thing I would add is be careful what you wish for, this game is already inaccessible to most casual gamers, I never would have stayed around but I like the group Im with. If ccp make it any harder for new players to get started people will stop trying, stop signing up and eventually the game will die and your shiny ships and killboards, and mountains of isk will disappear when the servers shut down. Just play the game and stop whinging about not being able to kill every noob that crosses your path

I think the main issue with new players in faction warfare, is that the tutorial do not show you how to PROPERLY fit a PVP ship. The reason I say this is I can make a new toon, and within 10 hours of training, can have a low dps pvp ship ready to go (and have actually killed 2-3 year old toons with it within 2 days of playing). It is a misconception in Eve that you have to have a lot of SP to be awesome, when it actually doesn't take that much SP to fight.

Now that you posted that, I retract my prior post of the cloak change *above, but would rather see a PVP tutorial that is built into the game. Now this could be tricky, but perhaps something like a proper fitting a ship tutorial instead of "This is how you put a Shield Booster on" would be more effective. If not, maybe even focus a bit more of showing the certificates as many new players, don't even know that they are there to give a guide of what to train to be successful (See Core Comp - Basic).