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Lying About Identity No Longer Allowed Under EULA

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Lair Osen
#121 - 2013-09-10 11:56:10 UTC
Scammers Tears, Best Tears :D
Condordia Apoclypia
Doomheim
#122 - 2013-09-10 11:57:34 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
edit: apparently this is now the "civil discussion about a bad idea thread"

This is a poor idea and so is the ISD's plan to lock every thread about it when there is no discussion thread open. Continuing to lock threads instead of an ISD taking the initiative and opening a thread and saying "stop making angry threads and discuss everything here" is stupid.


Do the people working in the ISD department never update their "Censor everything" playbook after each scandal? It doesn't work. People just post elsewhere where they can't be censored, like on reddit. Every time an ISD locks a thread in an attempt to shut down all discussion about it they and CCP just look dumber and dumber.


hahahahahahahahaha!
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2013-09-10 11:58:20 UTC
Yeah..... this just feels like a massive Corporate banhammer coming down on the sandbox.


Don't think anyone is questioning the impersonating CCP/ISD/GM part, or RMT'ing.

But Eve players have lied, cheated and stolen from each other for... ever really. It's one of the real defining qualities of Eve. Sucks for the peeps who get scammed, but I've never read of another game where entire corporations worth of assets are stolen. As wide ranging as the wording on that ToS changing is, and open to interpretation, there is just no way this can be consistently and fairly applied.


The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Lady Areola Fappington
#124 - 2013-09-10 12:03:41 UTC
Lair Osen wrote:
Scammers Tears, Best Tears :D


The best part of this post, the first line of his corp's bio.

If you were requested ISK to join corp, you've been scammed, and you're stupid for not reading this first!


Pots and kettles man....

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#125 - 2013-09-10 12:18:26 UTC
THIS is the EVE Community at its most despicable.

Thank goodness EVE is really all about the game and not its community anymore.

Were it all about the 'community' the whole thing would have imploded a little over 2 years ago. And it almost did.

Sad. Just sad.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#126 - 2013-09-10 12:29:49 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

As guard posted last night, we'll look into this today for you guys..

I'm going to take your concerns, and the concerns highlighted by the CSM directly to the GM Team to get this all ironed out. Whether this is a full explanation of the wording change in detail, or alteration to the wording is to be decided, of course.


A 'full explanation' I don't think will be good enough, the current wording is confusing, vague, and inaccurate with the current historical use of 'impersonation', such as playing as an NPC corp or saying I'm a valid 3rd party money trader.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#127 - 2013-09-10 12:55:46 UTC
Pap Uhotih wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
If I were to say "I represent the group of players known as "people who live in nullsec", pay me 10bn isk and you will be given a free pass to all of nullsec."

^
i would now be banned, correct?


On the plus side it would potentially mean that the bumpers wouldn't be able to claim to be from/an agent of New Order when they are not, maybe even cut down on the sheer volume of spam they pump into local which is probably the most irritating part of their activity. Its not all bad.




I am an agent of the New Order though, lucky for you that I am here. Simply pay me the 10m for your permit and you will be granted a years worth of mining in our space (systems rated between 0.5 and 1.0 inclusive)
Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2013-09-10 13:08:12 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Pap Uhotih wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
If I were to say "I represent the group of players known as "people who live in nullsec", pay me 10bn isk and you will be given a free pass to all of nullsec."

^
i would now be banned, correct?


On the plus side it would potentially mean that the bumpers wouldn't be able to claim to be from/an agent of New Order when they are not, maybe even cut down on the sheer volume of spam they pump into local which is probably the most irritating part of their activity. Its not all bad.




I am an agent of the New Order though, lucky for you that I am here. Simply pay me the 10m for your permit and you will be granted a years worth of mining in our space (systems rated between 0.5 and 1.0 inclusive)


I'm not a miner, I'm just one of the many thousands of people that have to suffer the dribble that gets posted in local. Since New Order is a character and various corporations and alliances have similar names perhaps you should be more cautious about who exactly you are so openly claiming to be an agent of, I definitely think you are breaking the rules and I'm going to tell my mummy all about you nasty people as well as chastising you with various iterations and variations of the word 'um', so there.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#129 - 2013-09-10 13:08:15 UTC
I really hope it doesn't mean what it says it means, otherwise this is a slippery slope for the game becoming another ultima online..

CCP should include a long definition of what this game is about when someone creates an account..

"...Sandbox... blablabla... do w/e you want... blablabla... if you are stupid enough to get scammed no you can't file a petition to claim your shinies back.."

The only person you can trust with your items is YOU whether it's in eve online or real life. And the good thing about eve is that if you get scammed you can make them pay for their actions in your own way.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2013-09-10 13:22:09 UTC
Aryth wrote:
We believe that this was intended as a clarification to prevent the Pizza incident from reoccurring. Where people edited the Wiki to say they were ISD verified trusted 3rd parties (Then scammed using that page).

If so a new rule adding ISD and the Wiki to the "out of bounds" parties seems like the best solution.



So because of this scammers who use "api verified" fake sites could fall under this same ban?

A lot of isk doublers are going to be in for a treat if that's the case...

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-09-10 13:22:18 UTC
This isn't the first time that new rules are snuck in under the guise of a "clarification." For example, when the GM team decided to forbid people from lurking in the recruitment channel to find marks to scam, they claimed that "it has always been the rule" but before that, nobody was getting warnings/bans for searching for marks in the recruitment channel.

If you're going to make up completely ambiguous nonsense that screams "selective enforcement" then stop trying to sneak it under the radar as a "clarification" and just ban scamming if that's the end goal. Then you can engage in experiments like "can EVE be a generic carebear MMO without spiraling into the ground?"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#132 - 2013-09-10 13:23:51 UTC
Pap Uhotih wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Pap Uhotih wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
If I were to say "I represent the group of players known as "people who live in nullsec", pay me 10bn isk and you will be given a free pass to all of nullsec."

^
i would now be banned, correct?


On the plus side it would potentially mean that the bumpers wouldn't be able to claim to be from/an agent of New Order when they are not, maybe even cut down on the sheer volume of spam they pump into local which is probably the most irritating part of their activity. Its not all bad.




I am an agent of the New Order though, lucky for you that I am here. Simply pay me the 10m for your permit and you will be granted a years worth of mining in our space (systems rated between 0.5 and 1.0 inclusive)


I'm not a miner, I'm just one of the many thousands of people that have to suffer the dribble that gets posted in local. Since New Order is a character and various corporations and alliances have similar names perhaps you should be more cautious about who exactly you are so openly claiming to be an agent of, I definitely think you are breaking the rules and I'm going to tell my mummy all about you nasty people as well as chastising you with various iterations and variations of the word 'um', so there.


There are a number of similarly named corporations/alliances, and there are also "groups of players" who aren't in the same corp/alliance but definitely identify as a group. I am an Agent of one such group, known as the New Order, we oversee highsec and try and keep the riff raff out. If that statement is against the rules, then the rules are immensely stupid.

This is kind of the point :)
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#133 - 2013-09-10 13:50:12 UTC
OK.

I removed a post(and all that quoted it) involving sexual orientation as an insult.

The perpetrator has been reported upward.


Remember that this thread is open on contingency of it staying civil and (mostly) troll free.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Kumail Nanjiani
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2013-09-10 13:58:56 UTC
ITT: juicy elitist tears flowing like a babbling brook & Goons giving orders to the Devs to fix it while cracking a whip saying, "get back to work for us."
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#135 - 2013-09-10 14:02:33 UTC
Pap Uhotih wrote:
On the plus side it would potentially mean that the bumpers wouldn't be able to claim to be from/an agent of New Order when they are not, maybe even cut down on the sheer volume of spam they pump into local which is probably the most irritating part of their activity. Its not all bad.


Anyone who takes action to support the cause of the New Order is a member.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2013-09-10 14:18:32 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:


I understand the need to keep rules vague, in order to prevent people from tapdancing to the line. In this case, your wording honestly is way too vauge. It has a chilling effect on the metagame we all know and love.


Translation: It's like one player can't fck over the other no more!

I think it's hilarious! The amount of tears coming from people who play the game in the vilest manner and are the lowest form of scum in the game are crying because they're going to have to move up one rung up the ladder descending directly into the poop chute of Eve, it's plain simple hilarity!

With that said, I'm also not one for lots of rules and especially those that are so vague that simply having a name similar to another toon might get me banned for no other reason than being here. *shakes head*




Don't ban me, bro!
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2013-09-10 14:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Pap Uhotih wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
If I were to say "I represent the group of players known as "people who live in nullsec", pay me 10bn isk and you will be given a free pass to all of nullsec."

^
i would now be banned, correct?


On the plus side it would potentially mean that the bumpers wouldn't be able to claim to be from/an agent of New Order when they are not, maybe even cut down on the sheer volume of spam they pump into local which is probably the most irritating part of their activity. Its not all bad.





James 315 allows for anyone to be an Agent of NO by simply doing. The act makes it so.

(EDIT-Andski already mentioned it).

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#138 - 2013-09-10 14:24:40 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:


I understand the need to keep rules vague, in order to prevent people from tapdancing to the line. In this case, your wording honestly is way too vauge. It has a chilling effect on the metagame we all know and love.


Translation: It's like one player can't fck over the other no more!

I think it's hilarious! The amount of tears coming from people who play the game in the vilest manner and are the lowest form of scum in the game are crying because they're going to have to move up one rung up the ladder descending directly into the poop chute of Eve, it's plain simple hilarity!

With that said, I'm also not one for lots of rules and especially those that are so vague that simply having a name similar to another toon might get me banned for no other reason than being here. *shakes head*


Do you understand that your little translation runs counter to the themes, mechanics, and rules that this game was designed around and spent ten years enjoying? Do you understand that CCP have explicitly made it a selling point of this game that in the quest for your own personal gain and entertainment you can kick over someone elses sandcastle?

I hope you do, otherwise you might be playing the wrong game to begin with.
Fanatic Row
Neo T.E.C.H.
#139 - 2013-09-10 14:25:42 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
[As guard posted last night, we'll look into this today for you guys..

I'm going to take your concerns, and the concerns highlighted by the CSM directly to the GM Team to get this all ironed out. Whether this is a full explanation of the wording change in detail, or alteration to the wording is to be decided, of course.

Thanks for the update.

Don't forget that CCP regulary runs Power of 2 and Start A SIde-kick campaigns, with 'spy' being one of the options being presented for your new account Blink
Condordia Apoclypia
Doomheim
#140 - 2013-09-10 14:26:11 UTC
Those scams should be stopped , other scamms already bad enough , lots of new bros who got scammed the first week are going and never return.

I like the servers go online a decade more, eve always had a nice position in the mmo sc-fi genre , that wouldnt be long tho

really good change