EVE General Discussion

A noble excuse for plain old blackmail/extortion... ah well.

Yes, killing a miner that is ATK, tanky and paying attention to local is pretty easy. Only a procurer or skiff would protect them from a gank landing on grid. Since you warp to your scout at distance, you can't even look out for a miner getting too close.
You new order guys put it behind the code, but at the end of the day, you'll gank whoever you want, whenever you want, regardless of code, permits and state of AFKness. It's just an RP reason to gank, which there's nowt wrong with.

dude, that's too much ~effort~. Why worry about jumping a tanked ATK miner, setting up the proper approach, and warping in at distance when there's 6 other guys in the ice belt who're AFK and max yield fit. All you gotta do with those guys is mash approach on your venture, wait till you quit bobbling around, then warp your gankfleet in.

Anyway, your first hint that Something Bad is up is when you see all those red blinky -10's in local. That's the time to start vacating the area for abit. If you don't have your screen set up so you can see everyone in local at a glance...well, there's that situational awareness thing.

Yes Yes, I know sometimes we use warp in at range. Sometimes we even use cloaks. The vast, vast majority of scouts are ventures or procurers carrying scan mods and no mining lasers.

Different strokes I suppose. It's just a video game to me, I don't make moral judgements over a video game. To me, claiming someone is "bad" or "good" due to actions in EVE makes about as much sense as claiming someone is a mass murderer because they play CoD.

When I play EVE on this character I'm the awful nasty New Order agent forcing my will on innocent AFK miners who just want to be left alone.

When I log in on my corp CEO alt, I'm the nice caring mother figure guiding an indy corp around highsec to gather our riches in ore.

When I play Assassins Creed I'm a stealthy murderer from the past who sticks sharp pokey things into computer generated characters.

None of it has any real connection to me "behind the keyboard", per se. That person is a nurse practitioner working for a childrens hospital, who should really get her backside in bed to get some rest before a 24 hour shift. You folks are just so interesting to chat with!

+4: OP isn't aware that this thread belongs in crime and punishment.

Broad strokes sometimes work best to convey a point, and I get you.

My counter to that though, is there should be no power as you phrased it, in this game. It's a video game. The line between fantasy (EVE) and RL should be nice, clear, and bright. EVE is pretend, Real Life is Real Life. When I set sights on an ill-prepared miner, I'm not attacking the person behind the screen. I'm attacking the character he's playing.

This game is billed as a harsh, cold, dystopian future where it's dog eat dog, morals are subjective, and the people with the biggest guns run the show, fair or not.

What you are basically asking people to do, is not engage in the game as designed and advertised, because there's a chance out there that someone might not have the mental maturity to realise the difference between EVE and RL. To me, that's an unfair burden to place on someone who is enjoying a video game, in accordance with the rules laid down for said game.

If we were playing a FPS, you wouldn't say "Guys don't shoot each other. One of you might be better than Timmy, and he'll feel bullied."
If we were playing an RTS, you wouldn't say "Guys, don't use rush tactics. Jimmy might feel mobbed, and hurt himself."


EVE is a competitive game. It's played predominantly by above average intelligence hypercompetitive 30somethings. There will be winners, and losers.



Just to expand on what I mean by the RL/EVE dividing line. IN EVE, I'll shoot, gank, and bump ill-prepared miners every chance I can. In RL, I'd invite that same miner out for a beer, because we're fellow players in EVE. If said miner's response to the invitation is screaming curses and throwing punches at the evil amoral ganker....well, that's no separation between fantasy and reality.

You sure they were New Order? Our first goal is to get new guys down to outlaw status, by whatever means possible. We have channel celebrations when someone finally hits pure -10. Our fleet tactics revolve around operations as outlaw.

I know of a group out there who does predominantly freighter ganking, that requires their guys to remain about -3. You may have run into them.

If you really want to know if someone's "in" New Order, feel free to message me. I owe you a couple favors, Krix, you helped out one of my other avatars in the past.

"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." -HST

Noob ship.

Out of curiosity... does that have any factoring in regards to pre spawning Concord an exploit? Why not just ask "Is pre spawning Concord an exploit?" and be done with it?

Yup, we target a specific group of people, ill-fit minders. Did you know, lowsec pirates target people carrying expensive cargo, and nullsec alliances target people they want to take/defend land from? The New Order also tends to spread out and move around some, as it helps prevent targeting the same person over and over again.

As for "changing playstyles"...you know, this is EVE. The cold, dark dystopian world where it's dog eat dog, morals are subjective, and you're only as strong as the guns you can bring to a fight. Yeah, I'd expect one to change their playstyle, if they think that means "Fly in in a retty, lock up some roids, and go watch Hulu till you hear asteroid depleted". Now, you may not be aware of this, but in PVP, when someone brings out a ship/fleet/doctrine that counters what you are flying, you "change your playstyle". He's got a brawler, better go fit kitey. Kitefit, go grab a brawler. These guys use cloaks, load up on smartbombs.


Now, I'm pretty sure yer referring to Erotica 1 with the whole harassing and defaming out of game, well, that was the mark's decision to continue. Nobody held a gun to the guys head, or threatened his family. All said mark had to do was disconnect, walk off, and end it all. Greed, however, tends to be a powerful motivator for people to do silly things. And yes, I spent my time singing on teamspeak as a ransom. Used to be, you got teased a little bit, maybe a blogpost if you were really awful, and a pat on the back for saving your ship. Nowdays, getting someone to sing on TS is some kind of crime against humanity.




Just to throw out a little thing on morals, this morning I listened to a very disturbing voicemail. Someone using a voice modulator called my cell, and told me he knew my address, my workplace, and the make of car I drove. I was told to apologize to the "highsec Mining Community" and post proof of deletion of my accounts, "or else". I'm sure, being the awful evil ganker, blowing up spaceships in the spaceship exploding game, that I deserved that, according to some. Yes, the police are involved. I'll soundcloud the message as soon as I get my phone back.




(reading back over my messages, I'd like to apologize if I've come off harsh. Said phone call has gotten under my skin in a bad way.)