Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I also would like to summarize all the good ideas i read in this topic :








CCP please listen to your customers, we are playing and living the game so we actually know what is best for us.

This has probably been asked and answered but as there are multiple threads dealing with this and i don't want to have to read it all.

Does the new placement of skills in groups also mean the attributes for their training will change?? I noticed weapon upgrades is to be moved to engineering yet it has different prerequisites to, pretty much everything else in that category. Things may be a little wayward now but at least when you look at a category the prereq's are similar so you know by setting a remap for X . X you can train X group of skills. It seems with the proposed changes, there will be a need to check every skill to see will suit as far a 12 month training plan goes.

I agree that the name change was a mistake. I would also be interested as to why it was changed in the face of public opinion and common sense.

Thanks for not using "spaceship piloting" - phew!

Sadly I only found this thread only now after the milk is spilled ......

.... actually i started looking for it after i wittnessed some of the changed skill names - and had to learn that even more horrible changes were in the developers pipeline before. Things like "spaceship piloting" ..... As others pointed out, this is the kind of naming that a 6 year old might come up with.

But hey, guess what? It doesnt add too the games atmosphere !

In fact it feels dumbed down in its very primitive descriptive appoach ...
And now dear CCP ask youself some serious questions: For whom do you do this dumbing down? What kind of players do you think play your game? Do you really believe that some name change (for ?easier? approach) would be enough to open the gates for the floods of new players waiting outside all this time (because the were enstranged by the word "engineering" of couldnt get the meaning behind the skill "electronics"? Now they surely will flock in and feel at home here for years, yup!

In general, its often a bit tricky when new guys change original core concepts and names that the game designers of old have sweated and thougt over for maybe a long time:

trap one:
Too much dumbing down gives an awkward and dumb feeling and kills the atmosphere
example: the above discussed "spaceship piloting" (Thank you to all who helped to prevent this at least!)

trap two:
Falling short of the original (overall) meaning that was inherent to the old name
examples: "electronics" --> "CPU Management" and "engineering" --> "Power Grid Management"
These two were the ones that caught my eye ingame, and I really was "wtf, whats that, are they stupid?" Sure in its privitive descriptive way those new names seem to describe what the skill does, nicely dumbed down. But it falls short of the original meaning and concept of those skills. Have the developers totally lost that these are base skills that support a whole tech tree? Its not only about tweaking your cpu or running your powergrid in overload - they come back to you (and by then have to be mastered) when you want to research and produce avanced technologies, be it t2 or t3 - and then the meaning is not "leaning where the overclock button is" but "having profound knowlege in engineering / electronis" , well conveyed in the original name, totally overlooked in the new ones .......

trap three:
getting it all wrong, changing an intuitive name into a meaningless and even counter intuitive one
example: "armor honeycombing" --> "armor layering" (nuff said in other posts above)


THIS WAS NO MASTERPIECE - consider changing it back, before someone gets used to it.

I take exception to the implication that Star Treck is fiction.

Did CCP update the Item Database yet? I believe they know about content/name changes first. It is just shameful that they do not have the foresight/intelligence to update the item database before releasing a patch. Odyssey 1.1 dropped very recently, but the content likely changed in their minds up to 6 months or a year ago. Updating both the live game server and item database needs to happen in tandem, since many external apps/addons rely upon the item database.