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Anslo
Scope Works
#81 - 2013-09-06 15:43:56 UTC
Or a furrier not to be adorable.
Or a monastic beer not to taste good.
Or a Khanid spiced meat kebab not to be so tempting.
Or The Scope to write unbiased and fairl-wait a second...

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-09-10 09:09:58 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Asking Kim to see the world through non-Provist glasses and look at stark reality is like asking a devout Amarrian to become an atheist.


Just like asking Rella to start thinking before opening mouth.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-09-10 09:12:37 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Right! You guys can launch an attack and make complete arses of yourselves...again...and then in no more than 5 years get pushed out of Luminaire...again...and all at the cost of millions of lives and cataclysmic damage to your homeworld...again...

It won't be an attack to 'make arses' of anything or anybody.
It will be attack to recover and secure OUR property.
And to bring justice to those, who are still trying to take it from us. And to incapacitate them enough, so they won't raise their heads and stretch their filthy greedy gallentean hands to our homes ever again.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#84 - 2013-09-10 21:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
[Right! You guys can launch an attack and make complete arses of yourselves...again...and then in no more than 5 years get pushed out of Luminaire...again...and all at the cost of millions of lives and cataclysmic damage to your homeworld...again...


Pray that the peace holds. Pray that our respective diplomats and leaders don't abrogate the arrangement regarding Caldari Prime. Hold your democratically elected leaders accountable for their behaviour or else look for our return in force.

The outcome was the way it was because Heth was in charge. Next time, look to see a competent attack that would, more than likely, put the doomsday weapon over YOUR homeworld and not ours. You have more resources than we do, but you are NOT prepared to pay the bill for keeping us from Home - all of this was proven. For you it is simply not a priority. For us? Hakkinen K'len.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#85 - 2013-09-10 22:41:06 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
[Right! You guys can launch an attack and make complete arses of yourselves...again...and then in no more than 5 years get pushed out of Luminaire...again...and all at the cost of millions of lives and cataclysmic damage to your homeworld...again...


Pray that the peace holds. Pray that our respective diplomats and leaders don't abrogate the arrangement regarding Caldari Prime. Hold your democratically elected leaders accountable for their behaviour or else look for our return in force.

The outcome was the way it was because Heth was in charge. Next time, look to see a competent attack that would, more than likely, put the doomsday weapon over YOUR homeworld and not ours. You have more resources than we do, but you are NOT prepared to pay the bill for keeping us from Home - all of this was proven. For you it is simply not a priority. For us? Hakkinen K'len.

Ahh and again with the threats.

From the tenor of your reply you must be "praying" for something besides peace. In that at least your not alone.

But please do continue.

Tell us what horrible things you will do to the Federation if you don't get your war... Oh my pardon way.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#86 - 2013-09-11 02:33:39 UTC
You misunderstand me. I really think the current arrangement is the best one. I have supported it in the past and will continue supporting it in the future. If you think I'm the kind of Caldari who endlessly sings "And that's why the Federation must be destroyed" then you misunderstand me. In fact the only reason I would stop supporting the treaty is if the treaty ceased to exist.

What I'd do if THAT happened because the Federation forgot the lessons?

Anything. No laws. No treaties. No conventions. No conscience. No limits. No humanity. Anything.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-09-11 02:48:33 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
. Next time, look to see a competent attack that would, more than likely, put the doomsday weapon over YOUR homeworld and not ours. .


Keep in mind our actions against the Shiigeru were done specifically to prevent this from happening. We knew that at any moment, the Shiigeru and her fleet could take a quick warp over to Gallente Prime and lay waste to the planet. Heth's borderline genocidal attitude towards our nation made this more than a worse case scenario, but a reality we may face if we don't act.

The Doomsday weapon may have been over your homeworld, but it was pointed at ours. Operation Highlander had to be flawless. One screw up and that would lead to the capture and even possible destruction of Gallente Prime and possibly put Luminaire and other Federation systems under full Caldari control. Even worse, it could of justified such a further push into Gallente space.

We know the consequences of starting the same horrific scenario up again just as much as you do. Only a U-Nat would probably support going through this again, but nobody but the worst of humanity would vote for them right now.



Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#88 - 2013-09-11 02:54:08 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You misunderstand me. I really think the current arrangement is the best one. I have supported it in the past and will continue supporting it in the future. If you think I'm the kind of Caldari who endlessly sings "And that's why the Federation must be destroyed" then you misunderstand me. In fact the only reason I would stop supporting the treaty is if the treaty ceased to exist.

What I'd do if THAT happened because the Federation forgot the lessons?

Anything. No laws. No treaties. No conventions. No conscience. No limits. No humanity. Anything.

Your commitment to peace is heartwarming, but from the sound of it I understood you perfectly.

Lets hope you and your stiff necked kin learned your lessons as well.

The next time the "solution" may not be so clean.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#89 - 2013-09-11 03:01:42 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You misunderstand me. I really think the current arrangement is the best one. I have supported it in the past and will continue supporting it in the future. If you think I'm the kind of Caldari who endlessly sings "And that's why the Federation must be destroyed" then you misunderstand me. In fact the only reason I would stop supporting the treaty is if the treaty ceased to exist.

What I'd do if THAT happened because the Federation forgot the lessons?

Anything. No laws. No treaties. No conventions. No conscience. No limits. No humanity. Anything.

Your commitment to peace is heartwarming, but from the sound of it I understood you perfectly.

Lets hope you and your stiff necked kin learned your lessons as well.

The next time the "solution" may not be so clean.


We're willing to share - what more do you expect from us? And no, you did NOT understand me perfectly, you're mistaking a commitment to do whatever it takes with a desire to do whatever I can. The former, certainly. The latter, no.

As for keeping hands 'clean'? Didn't you hear me? Whatever it takes.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2013-09-11 03:43:38 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
. Next time, look to see a competent attack that would, more than likely, put the doomsday weapon over YOUR homeworld and not ours. .

We know the consequences of starting the same horrific scenario up again just as much as you do. Only a U-Nat would probably support going through this again, but nobody but the worst of humanity would vote for them right now.


And that's all I asked for. Just to keep reminding your elected representatives that there's no justification for allowing things to get so bad between us - EVER again.

If that makes me the monster that James suggests then.... Grrrrrgh. Rrrrrargh.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-09-11 07:49:36 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Keep in mind our actions against the Shiigeru were done specifically to prevent this from happening.

No, no and no.
This is a stupid gallentean lie, that is trying to cover their motives.

If there wouldn't be attack on Shiigeru, there weren't a threat of using doomsday at all. Gallentean swines themselves provoked and made this threat, to "remove" it later. And what for? Simply to kill our citizens.

Gallenteans themselves make threats like this. They simply want to kill our peoples. They have committed crime against humanity, and they will do it again.

UNLESS WE STOP THEM.

The time of talk is over!
We must bring the justice upon them!
We must destroy their war machines.
We must deprive them of assets, they use against us.
And when we will fight them, we shall not show them mercy!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-09-12 00:29:08 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


UNLESS WE STOP THEM.

The time of talk is over!
We must bring the justice upon them!
We must destroy their war machines.
We must deprive them of assets, they use against us.
And when we will fight them, we shall not show them mercy!


The nurse forgot to give you your medication again didn't she?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#93 - 2013-09-12 00:29:54 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
If that makes me the monster that James suggests then.... Grrrrrgh. Rrrrrargh.

A venerable agitator turned politician once said, "how strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plan meaning of words".

I don't think your a monster Pieter.

I think your a capable man of will.

What I hope you and yours understand is that if threatened the Federation and what she stands for will be defended.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#94 - 2013-09-12 05:18:15 UTC
If I attack her, James, she will not stand for anything any longer. If she is so avaricious and intolerant that she can't sit by a neighbour that desires nothing of her or hers then all of the good in the Federation will have passed and she'll be nothing but a bloated tyrant.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#95 - 2013-09-12 22:13:08 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
If I attack her, James, she will not stand for anything any longer. If she is so avaricious and intolerant that she can't sit by a neighbour that desires nothing of her or hers then all of the good in the Federation will have passed and she'll be nothing but a bloated tyrant.

Then I hope your assessment of the States inclinations towards the Federation are correct and the better angels in both prevail.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-09-12 23:52:22 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

The nurse forgot to give you your medication again didn't she?

More looks like they forgot to put some brains in your current clone. Please return to your last cloning facility and ask for immediate compensation.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#97 - 2013-09-13 09:07:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

The nurse forgot to give you your medication again didn't she?

More looks like they forgot to put some brains in your current clone. Please return to your last cloning facility and ask for immediate compensation.


Children...it's time you have a time-out for behaving badly!

Seriously, this childish bickering isn't becoming of either of you.

-Eran
Confliktus
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-09-13 09:43:40 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You misunderstand me. I really think the current arrangement is the best one. I have supported it in the past and will continue supporting it in the future. If you think I'm the kind of Caldari who endlessly sings "And that's why the Federation must be destroyed" then you misunderstand me. In fact the only reason I would stop supporting the treaty is if the treaty ceased to exist.

What I'd do if THAT happened because the Federation forgot the lessons?

Anything. No laws. No treaties. No conventions. No conscience. No limits. No humanity. Anything.

Your commitment to peace is heartwarming, but from the sound of it I understood you perfectly.

Lets hope you and your stiff necked kin learned your lessons as well.

The next time the "solution" may not be so clean.


Then lets pray for the sake of the Gallenteans that peace does hold. Self arrogance is a sin of sorts and the powers that rule the universe tend to punish sinners for their mistakes faster then they think.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-09-13 10:09:54 UTC
Right now peace would be a treason.
There are still gallentean swines swarming in half of our Home planet.
And many of our systems in Placid, Essence, Black Rise, The Citadel and Verge Vendor are still occupied by these greedy bastards.
There won't be peace until we push this gallentean scum out with Caldari boots. All the way back to Villore!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Confliktus
Perkone
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-09-13 10:13:00 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now peace would be a treason.
There are still gallentean swines swarming in half of our Home planet.
And many of our systems in Placid, Essence, Black Rise, The Citadel and Verge Vendor are still occupied by these greedy bastards.
There won't be peace until we push this gallentean scum out with Caldari boots. All the way back to Villore!


Kim.. accept the facts.

Right now peace serves our best interests, that said The State's interests.