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Marsan Likes received: 274	#1 - 2013-09-09 16:00:36 UTC 1 What is the Eagle's role? It's not a sniper as any large rail BS, or BC does it better. Not to mention sentry drones. I guess I could fit it with Blasters, but it lacks a utility high, it's kinda slow, and the damage doesn't seem very good. What am I missing? Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

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Starbuck05 Abiding Ormolus Likes received: 357	#2 - 2013-09-09 16:22:34 UTC If all else fails,strap 3 lasb's + a cyno! So u can bring ur friends in the real pvp ships to come play Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Gypsio III

Questionable Ethics.

Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork

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#3 - 2013-09-09 16:47:45 UTC

I believe the idea is to use it as a small and very tough fleet unit, using its EHP, resists, sig and logi support to outlast ABCs.
482 DPS at 47/20 km, 83k EHP in gang. If you want a MWD then you lose a CFDE.

Certainly it seems to compare well to the Zealot in this role. Whether the role itself is useful remains to be seen...

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Marsan Likes received: 274	#4 - 2013-09-09 18:38:55 UTC But why not use a Battle Ship with rails or Sentry Drones. The large rails have better dps, better range and can hit small ships surprisingly well at range. Sentry Drones are just plain better in all respects other than restricting movement. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

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Berendas Ascendant Operations Likes received: 990	#5 - 2013-09-09 18:43:42 UTC I was really hoping that 1.1 would breathe new life into the Eagle, but it's still utter crap.

Linda Shadowborn

Dark Steel Industries

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#6 - 2013-09-09 19:12:54 UTC

Marsan wrote:

But why not use a Battle Ship with rails or Sentry Drones. The large rails have better dps, better range and can hit small ships surprisingly well at range. Sentry Drones are just plain better in all respects other than restricting movement.

because battleships are slow. A lot of the time you want something that is much faster and can align in a reasonable time when you are running fleets in lowsec. And you said it yourself, restricting movement, I can't remember the last time we had a fleet that didn't constantly move around.

Kahega Amielden

Rifterlings

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#7 - 2013-09-09 20:37:36 UTC

Quote:

They absolutely cannot hit small ships "surprisingly well" unless the small ships in question are stationary and/or moving right at you.

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Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Sending Thots And Players Likes received: 3,048	#8 - 2013-09-10 01:42:19 UTC The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha. ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~

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Sochin Finite Horizon. Likes received: 5	#9 - 2013-09-10 02:06:12 UTC 1 A very long time ago, the Eagle used to be sick at sniping tacklers from stupid ranges. A couple Eagles in a snipe spot could pick off a lot of support as they closed range during a fleet fight. Very different tactics back then, and I think the optimal range bonuses got nerfed or something. Been too long to recall.

Kahega Amielden

Rifterlings

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#10 - 2013-09-10 02:07:34 UTC | Edited by: Kahega Amielden

Trinkets friend wrote:

The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha.

what the **** are you talking about.

First off, the base tracking speed of a 250mm rail is fully twice that of 425mm rails.

Secondly, the signature resolution of large turrets is more than three times that of medium turrets.

The Eagle has an effective tracking speed of more than six times that of the Naga.

Dato Koppla

Balls Deep Inc.

Minmatar Fleet Alliance

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#11 - 2013-09-10 03:48:59 UTC

Kahega Amielden wrote:

Trinkets friend wrote:

The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha.

Also, 'slightly better tank' is the understatement of the century, T2 resists + resist bonus + smaller sig leads to having a much bigger tank.

Crellion

Nano Rhinos

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#12 - 2013-09-10 06:07:53 UTC

Dato Koppla wrote:

Kahega Amielden wrote:

Trinkets friend wrote:

The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha.

Also, 'slightly better tank' is the understatement of the century, T2 resists + resist bonus + smaller sig leads to having a much bigger tank.

In fact there is a sunergy there. 6 times better tracking allows for high orbit mwding around battleship fleet while actually hitting them and they cant hit you (say for example Megas)...

People are still coming to terms with what the Eagle now has become. I bought and fitted 20 on patch day but my corpies are still on bloody hollydays... darn hard working Greeks and all that....

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Hatsumi Kobayashi Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 477	#13 - 2013-09-10 06:17:42 UTC Gypsio III wrote: Whether the role itself is useful remains to be seen... Well both on paper and in practice it works well, but like you say the problem is being "useful", due to better or easier-to-execute alternatives. No sig.

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Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Likes received: 1,213	#14 - 2013-09-10 22:37:58 UTC Marsan wrote: What is the Eagle's role? It's role appears to be role model for jokes about bad ships ;) CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Bertrand Butler

Cras es Noster

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#15 - 2013-09-10 22:41:27 UTC

[Eagle, The Eagle has landed.]

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#16 - 2013-09-11 05:50:04 UTC

Bertrand Butler wrote:

[Eagle, overly expensive badfit.]

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Sergeant Acht Scultz

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#17 - 2013-09-11 10:49:35 UTC

Gypsio III wrote:

Excellent point of view.

Eagle is not a bad ship anymore, whoever thinks this can't see further than his nose.
As you just said this ship combines some very strong points that are good trade offs for their main weakness:speed
It's a very tough ship, imho better suited for blaster use (2x range bonus+blasters natural tracking advantage) however since med rails tremendous buff they are probably very good with a DCU II full dmg mods AB/SE/Invuln and tp/TC to pown those ABCs having 1/3rd of their HP and twice the sign radius.

In solo/small gang it's probably the toughest HAC with SAC but requiring another level of playing management than zipzap all around or "shooting from here", very good ships imho.

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Battlingbean Wings of the Dark Portal Likes received: 35	#18 - 2013-09-12 08:51:06 UTC You aren't missing anything. The ship is crap compared to the other HACs.

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