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any recommendations on a hybred tengu?
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Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-07 21:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexstrazaas
and please do not spit out go missles!

just honest advice
on the set up since i got like 8 or 9 million sp in gunnery with all tech 2 sizes unlocked for hybreds and skill lvl 5 for all gunnery support skills

and this is for PvE use in 4's but i don't mind any builds for pvp but unlikely i will use those any time soon with a tengu as i
stick with hawk or harpy for the price tag


but really in general i can use tech 2 everything a caldari ship would use except for one or two

also caldari for Life! <3
David Kir
Errantry Armaments
#2 - 2013-09-07 22:23:38 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
and please do not spit out go missles!

just honest advice
on the set up since i got like 8 or 9 million sp in gunnery with all tech 2 sizes unlocked for hybreds and skill lvl 5 for all gunnery support skills

and this is for PvE use in 4's but i don't mind any builds for pvp but unlikely i will use those any time soon with a tengu as i
stick with hawk or harpy for the price tag


but really in general i can use tech 2 everything a caldari ship would use except for one or two

also caldari for Life! <3



Well, let's see.
A rail tengu's DPS output is low.
It got better since Odyssey 1.1 (by A Lot), but it's still not all that good.
As far as medium rail missioning goes, I'd go for a Vulture or a Proteus.
A battleships would obviously be far better, especially so something the likes of a Vindicator, which is the ultimate rail mission boat.

Still, there's your fit.

Tengu, shrug

Subsystems:
1) Magnetic Infusion Bay
2) Fuel Catalyst
3) Amplification Node
4) Power Core Multiplier
5) Dissolution sequencer

High slots:
6*250mm Railgun II

Low slots:
1*Damage Control Unit II
3*Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium slots:
1*10MN Afterburner II

As for the tank, you're left with 5 slots, which means
1*Medium Shield Booster II (though I would consider upgrading to Deadspace C-types, Pith if possible)
3* TII Shield Hardener, mission dependant.
1*Medium Capacitor Booster

Rig slots:
2*Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
1*Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II (just in case


This is what I've used for a while in Caldari space, mainly missioning against Guristas/Serpentis.
Kin/Th tank setups are very, very resistant, EM/TH aren't bad either.
Beware of frigates, the tracking is terrible.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-09-07 23:25:36 UTC
so what about blasters, the tengu is obviously fast with this setup
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#4 - 2013-09-08 00:00:57 UTC
The Tengu hybrid sub is awful.

If you really want to use a T3 with hybrids, get a Proteus.

if you want to mission with a hybrid shield tanked ship, get a vulture or rokh.

Any of those will do level 4s a lot faster than a hybrid tengu will.
Kekekeasdfffasd
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-08 02:31:27 UTC
[Tengu, Rail]
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Rigs can be changed if you want to just monitor cap yourself.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#6 - 2013-09-08 06:37:21 UTC
Rokh + MJD = cashzors. Remember to jam in a sensor booster with range script vs Serpentis otherwise you won't be doing so much locking.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#7 - 2013-09-08 06:41:25 UTC
You chose the wrong race for guns if you are Caldari. You should have gone Gallante or Minmatar. Caldari is the missile race, just accept it and move on.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2013-09-08 08:40:08 UTC
Caldari actually has some excellent hybrid boats, not so much for PvE though.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#9 - 2013-09-08 13:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Caldari look really strong with hybrids now and who doesn't love a Blarpy? Have heard good things about Vultures now as well...

Anyway I have been playing with the Blaster Tengu below, cheap and tank is probably off for lvl4s only played lvl3s last night.

[Tengu, Combat: Blaster]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier

At lvl5 skills get:

685DPS
5.62km+9.54km 0.164 (with optimal script)
4.95km+7.5km 0.211 (with tracking script)

Stable at 39.2% with all on except boost, 51s with boost.

633m/s with AB on.

All in puts it at 379m ISK on pyfa.

Going to play around with the tank now and look in to a T2 250mm Rail fit as well. Doubt this is going to be a strong boat but interested to see how it does.
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-09-08 13:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexstrazaas
John Ratcliffe wrote:
You chose the wrong race for guns if you are Caldari. You should have gone Gallante or Minmatar. Caldari is the missile race, just accept it and move on.


you sir shall die to my caldari hybreds one day! you doubt the power of hybreds!

LONG LIVE THE CALDARI!!!!!

EDIT also to above poster i love blarpy! and thanks again to all who gave some fits
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-09-08 17:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Alexstrazaas wrote:
and please do not spit out go missles!

just honest advice
on the set up since i got like 8 or 9 million sp in gunnery with all tech 2 sizes unlocked for hybreds and skill lvl 5 for all gunnery support skills

and this is for PvE use in 4's but i don't mind any builds for pvp but unlikely i will use those any time soon with a tengu as i
stick with hawk or harpy for the price tag


but really in general i can use tech 2 everything a caldari ship would use except for one or two

also caldari for Life! <3



Thing with this ship you need to consider:you don't want anyone to get under 24km

1st because neuts (guristas don't neut bu welp consider it anyway)

2nd because from 0 to this range you'll be doing better dmg with HAMs (100% possible dmg while tracking is not med hybrids strong point)

3rd because javelins/faction missiles rocks (also no tracking issues from 0 to max range)

4th because full bonus kin dmg is better than thermal/kin (guristas have good thermal resist)

5th as someone already told above, Tengu hybrid sub sucks.


Edit because I can: last but non least, with dedicated missile rigs you can shoot rage to 45km faction to 49 javelins to 75 and your real applied dmg is way more important than you can get with hybrids on this ship.

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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#12 - 2013-09-08 20:31:43 UTC
So I have played with the T2 250mm rail and its pretty poor in all honesty, they are ok on level 4 cruisers and battle-cruisers but battleships are really slow.

Not a massive issue with frigs as long as you manoeuvre to reduce angular velocity.

I would imagine webbing spider drones could ruin you though, especially with no drones of your own.

Think I might play with a Vulture fit in the next few weeks...
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-09-08 23:25:03 UTC
only problem with vulture is i need 70 days to fly it since i have no command ship skill's
*armor/skrim/information/linkspec warfare*

while i got lvl 5 in every caldari ship lvl except battle cruisers. *to bad there is no navy ferox or navy rohk*
Ravage Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-09-09 10:12:00 UTC
I have not flown lvl4 missis for a long time, try this fit:

[Tengu, blaster]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

With decent Skills it is cap stable, does 704dps with Void(<10km), 503dps with Null (10<25km)

Caldari Engineering subsys 5 is a must have
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-09-09 11:10:59 UTC
do not fly hybrid tengu. it's terrible.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-09-09 11:51:22 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
do not fly hybrid tengu. it's terrible.


$5 you never tried flying a hybrid tengu let alone a hybrid ship with that kind of advise
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-09-09 17:40:47 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
do not fly hybrid tengu. it's terrible.


$5 you never tried flying a hybrid tengu let alone a hybrid ship with that kind of advise



Tell us more how OP hybrid Tengu is, and that fit with blasters is really...awesome. Please fit more officer/faction modules on it.

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Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#18 - 2013-09-09 22:27:47 UTC
Caldari do have worst weapon combo.
You will find out quick that their hybrid boats are viable for only PvE or PvP with that information their fitting options are very narrow as well.
All in all, very unimpressive lineup, with the standard ships having the better bonuses, and most techII ships focusing on range bonuses only.
So in summary no Epics for u.
Ginger Barbarella
#19 - 2013-09-10 00:28:54 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
and please do not spit out go missles!

just honest advice
on the set up since i got like 8 or 9 million sp in gunnery with all tech 2 sizes unlocked for hybreds and skill lvl 5 for all gunnery support skills

and this is for PvE use in 4's but i don't mind any builds for pvp but unlikely i will use those any time soon with a tengu as i
stick with hawk or harpy for the price tag


but really in general i can use tech 2 everything a caldari ship would use except for one or two

also caldari for Life! <3


Go for it, it's a great choice!!

Oooh, even better, put high meta ROCKETS on it instead!!!! Now THAT will put fear into the enemy!!!

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2013-09-10 00:35:26 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
do not fly hybrid tengu. it's terrible.


$5 you never tried flying a hybrid tengu let alone a hybrid ship with that kind of advise


Why did you even ask if you weren't going to listen to people who have actually tried that bout out?!?

1. Didja EFT it?
2. Didja try it on Sisi?!?!?

Come back when you have evidence that it's worth a damn to prove everyone else wrong.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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