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Are T2 sentries mandatory for lvl 4 dominix?

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-09-09 03:11:36 UTC
Also Drone Interfacing 5 and Gallente Battleship 5 are very important. T2 drones are a huge improvement over T1

As for Navy Raven vs Dominix the Raven requires much less micromanagement. You don't need a 2 billion ISK fit unless you're trying for a cap stable fail fit.

As the poster above said the regular Domi is what you want because of the drone bonuses.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#22 - 2013-09-09 18:45:32 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Also Drone Interfacing 5 and Gallente Battleship 5 are very important. T2 drones are a huge improvement over T1

As for Navy Raven vs Dominix the Raven requires much less micromanagement. You don't need a 2 billion ISK fit unless you're trying for a cap stable fail fit.

As the poster above said the regular Domi is what you want because of the drone bonuses.

Pithum c-type medium shield booster. 100milish in jita. Easy cheap permatank

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-09-09 19:24:46 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Also Drone Interfacing 5 and Gallente Battleship 5 are very important. T2 drones are a huge improvement over T1

As for Navy Raven vs Dominix the Raven requires much less micromanagement. You don't need a 2 billion ISK fit unless you're trying for a cap stable fail fit.

As the poster above said the regular Domi is what you want because of the drone bonuses.

Pithum c-type medium shield booster. 100milish in jita. Easy cheap permatank


A medium shield booster on a battleship... It might be permatank but not much tank. Of course if you manage aggro you could make it work I guess. I was referring to those that buy faction and deadspace invulns and all the bling to get a whole room aggro permatank.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-09-09 21:47:25 UTC
I never did get the epeen "I can tank a whole room" thing. There is no meaningful AoE, you shoot one thing at a time....what on earth is the point in overtanking that much. Unless you cant help it, I'm looking at you, passive rattlers.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-09-09 21:48:44 UTC
For an L4 drone boat, T2 sentries aren't mandatory, but they're recommended, I'd say. The extra range and firepower does make a difference. (However, faction sentries are actually more durable than T2's.)

As for shield boosters in missions ... I'm a firm believer in pulse-tanking over perma-tanking. If something goes sideways, you need a lot of reps, and you need them fast.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Dhestroya Ohmaris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-09-09 22:37:34 UTC
if your trying to shield tank a regular dominix it isn't guna work anyways. 5 mid slots dedicated to hardners boost amp and booster is guna ruin the fit of your ship.

if you were running a navy domi it would work great....ive used a navy domi for about 2 days before, but if your using a sentry based domi the 5 mid slots of the domi will take away from your cap recharge and leave you a sitting duck, or having to warp in and out wasting time and losing money.

gallente ships are leaned more towards armor tanking with more low slots than mids.

but the OP is about t2 sentries so im going to guestimate here that the OP wants to run a sentry boat which IS NOT a navy domi therefore stick with your faction setries in a regular domi, armor tank it, blow up so rats, and while your doing that train for t2 to get the longer range on even the faction sentries (if you dont wanna spend the money on t2's the skills will still help with t1 or sentry drones) and have fun
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-09-09 22:56:46 UTC
You can easily run dread large shield booster and make it cap stable on a T1 domi. With its new bonuses you don't really need omni's. That will leave room for 4 x DDA's and mag stabs it you choose to put guns on it. No space for a prop mod though if you want a decent tank.
Dhestroya Ohmaris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-09-09 23:34:16 UTC
they just dropped optimal range bonus from 10% to 7.5% per level......how is taking out your omni's of a sentry fit going to help?
Ginger Barbarella
#29 - 2013-09-10 00:00:32 UTC
Remember the mentality of posters here before you ask a question:

x.. Blitzers will insist on everything T2,cuz if you don't deal absolutely MAXIMUM DAMAGE on every single shot you're doing it wrong, are a complete loser, and should go back to WoW.
x.. EFT Warriors will insist on everything T2,cuz if you don't deal absolutely MAXIMUM DAMAGE on every single shot you're doing it wrong, are a complete loser, and should go back to WoW.
x.. Leet peeveepee'ers will tell you youre' wasting their time asking about drones, and to go back to that 1.0 system you were raised in. Oh, and will insist on everything T2,cuz if you don't deal absolutely MAXIMUM DAMAGE on every single shot you're doing it wrong, are a complete loser, and should go back to WoW.
x.. Casual missioners will say use whatever you can afford, pay attention to range, and do what you gotta do to get that final objective. And they don't give a crap about WoW.

I say use whatever you want, and whatever you can to get the job done. Most of my alts can use T2 sentries, and do. For those that don't, I really don't use sentries: they tend to use lights and mediums (T2). I occasionally will use Navy drones just for giggles, but I never use T1 combat drones. Use what works for you, experiment with different things, and ignore those that give you the feeling that they're complete morons. P

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-09-10 00:06:10 UTC
Dhestroya Ohmaris wrote:
they just dropped optimal range bonus from 10% to 7.5% per level......how is taking out your omni's of a sentry fit going to help?



Didn't say it was going to help.. re-read my post.. you can get by without it is what I was saying...
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#31 - 2013-09-10 03:05:52 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Remember the mentality of posters here before you ask a question:

x.. Blitzers will insist on everything T2,cuz if you don't deal absolutely MAXIMUM DAMAGE on every single shot you're doing it wrong, are a complete loser, and should go back to WoW.
x.. EFT Warriors will insist on everything T2,cuz if you don't deal absolutely MAXIMUM DAMAGE on every single shot you're doing it wrong, are a complete loser, and should go back to WoW.
x.. Leet peeveepee'ers will tell you youre' wasting their time asking about drones, and to go back to that 1.0 system you were raised in. Oh, and will insist on everything T2,cuz if you don't deal absolutely MAXIMUM DAMAGE on every single shot you're doing it wrong, are a complete loser, and should go back to WoW.
x.. Casual missioners will say use whatever you can afford, pay attention to range, and do what you gotta do to get that final objective. And they don't give a crap about WoW.

I say use whatever you want, and whatever you can to get the job done. Most of my alts can use T2 sentries, and do. For those that don't, I really don't use sentries: they tend to use lights and mediums (T2). I occasionally will use Navy drones just for giggles, but I never use T1 combat drones. Use what works for you, experiment with different things, and ignore those that give you the feeling that they're complete morons. P


to get maximum performance you will of course want t2 sentries, however faction sentries will work just fine for starting out.

don't confuse the journey with the destination.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#32 - 2013-09-10 03:24:30 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Also Drone Interfacing 5 and Gallente Battleship 5 are very important. T2 drones are a huge improvement over T1

As for Navy Raven vs Dominix the Raven requires much less micromanagement. You don't need a 2 billion ISK fit unless you're trying for a cap stable fail fit.

As the poster above said the regular Domi is what you want because of the drone bonuses.

Pithum c-type medium shield booster. 100milish in jita. Easy cheap permatank


A medium shield booster on a battleship... It might be permatank but not much tank. Of course if you manage aggro you could make it work I guess. I was referring to those that buy faction and deadspace invulns and all the bling to get a whole room aggro permatank.


right right, well at least the massive overtank used to be somewhat okay for afking. and the isk farmers were using dual pithi small boosters (usually b-type) on their 3 month old, raven flying, 5.0 sec, high corp standing farming characters, a pithum c-type with a boost amp boosts more than that setup can and these days it is much cheaper.

although my cnr with a pithum c-type and rf 100mn ab with like 97 hp/s seems to be working okayish for semi afking with auto targeting missiles. (hmm don't seem to have an ab fit at the moment, and have a boost amp instead) my data set is pretty small at this point, and I imagine on missions like guristas extra where the frigs are often the triggers it would die in a fire. and worlds collide would probably get hairy, just because if auto targeting missiles hit the spies, hello full room aggro! although using a mjd would well, make nearly all incoming dps issues go away (or on a guristas mission just fit a bunch of kinetic hardeners).

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-09-10 06:39:27 UTC
The difference between T1 and T2 is about 150 dps, but that does not take into account the projection you also lose with the worse tracking and shorter range.

You can fly the domi with faction drones while you train T2, but using T1 is not really an option you want to look at.

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Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#34 - 2013-09-10 07:33:22 UTC
What you want to remember about dps requirements which is what gets people so stressy about techII without often knowing why is as follows.
When you attack say a battleship rat, it will have varying but lets assume a common 200ish dps repair/regen.
If you do 400 dps your actual dps is 200, if you do 600dps that is half the paper dps more but double your actual dps.
This is why people stress so much about the higher almost trivial dps numbers, they seem lower then they actually are.

With 500-600dps you can do many lvl 4 with 800dps you should be able to do almost all depending on how you apply it in which ship so on a so forth but thats a general idea.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-09-10 07:41:43 UTC
600 is plenty, just make sure you can tank that long.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-09-10 11:05:03 UTC
Marcus Walkuris wrote:
When you attack say a battleship rat, it will have varying but lets assume a common 200ish dps repair/regen.


This is why dps is the most impotent attribute, the fast you kill the rats the less effective hit points they have.

Take the Guristas Usurper as example, it has some 7650 shield / 4250 armor / 4750 hull and it's lowest resist is kinetic at 49% in both shield and armor.

I don't know what's it's active shield boost is, but just as an example lets say it's 50 hitpoints each sec.

It will take a 300 dps ship (150 after resist) 90 sec to kill it, in which times it's able to boost 4458 shield hitpoints. A ship with 900 dps (450 after resist) can kill it in 30 sec, which means it only boosts 1483 shield hitpoints.

With 300 dps the effective amount of shield you need to go through is increased with close to 100%, with 900 dps it's close to 25-30%

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-09-10 11:12:16 UTC
Like most things in eve, you don't need to have T2
T1 will still do the job, slower & with less dps, but they will still get it done

T2 drone skills are worth the time spent training them however, as they transfer across to many different ships from most factions.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#38 - 2013-09-10 15:57:18 UTC
There is a HUGE difference in mission completion time for an expensive fit BS and a mediocore one. I dont really consider it 'bling' while its adding significant performance.

For example, I am flying my RS today. I'm using an ASB and so I have one more tank slot being used in the mids and all 3 rigs. The mission completion time with Simply a deadspace XLSB and decent invuln is significantly less, because I have an extra mid and rigs for damage/projection/utility.

There is no reason you shouldn't make back the extra bil or 2 on your mission boats. Most gankers wont be arsed for a half a chance at a single expensive mod with a few cheaper accessories. A ship with multiple billions in multiple mods is another story.

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are serious business sir.

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5iddhartha
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-09-18 04:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: 5iddhartha
Used to be you needed T2 sentries for the better tracking as much as for the damage. With the new Domi bonuses its not so urgent. Factions are fine for a while
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#40 - 2013-09-18 06:51:52 UTC
dexington wrote:
The difference between T1 and T2 is about 150 dps, but that does not take into account the projection you also lose with the worse tracking and shorter range.

You can fly the domi with faction drones while you train T2, but using T1 is not really an option you want to look at.


You don't want to "end up" with t1 anything, but doing nothing at all as opposed to doing something slowly but surely is absurd.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

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