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Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1321 - 2013-09-09 19:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
As much as you attempt to clog the thread quoting multi posts and then posting remedial comments you'd think you're trying to derail the thread.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1322 - 2013-09-09 19:28:51 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
As much as you attempt to clog the thread quoting multi posts and then posting remedial comments you'd almost think you're trying to derail the thread.


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Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1323 - 2013-09-09 19:29:13 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Oh noes! We better hope CCP doesn't see all this proof about hisecs safety.


You might have to be careful with Level 4 missions too, as you don't want to represent the NPC agent you are working for. From the new TOS:

"You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer. You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity."

Either way, I highly recommend just zerg rushing Angels Extravaganza level 4, using Eve Survival as a starting template. With a good fit, you can do it in 45 minutes. Note: fits might be a bit out of date, though.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1324 - 2013-09-09 19:32:30 UTC
You do not want to trifle with my agent. She...They are heartless. I ask firmly that you never make that utterance again.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1325 - 2013-09-09 19:34:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Some new lessons in hypocrisy.


No, this is a new lesson in prejudice, namely yours against pvp types.

What does the fact that exploiters cried about the boomerang bug fix have to do with the fact that it (like high sec lvl 5s) was a bug and that fixing a bug is never a nerf?

The answer is: nothing.


1) I always and exclusively PvP both in EvE and in the other 3 MMOs I am currently playing or have recently played.

In EvE it happens to be WvW (wallet vs wallet) PvP. Furthermore I miss and regret every day, the golden days when I was in a great PVP corp.

*I* was there when FW produced so much lag that a dev logged on in local and told us to edit our .ini files to enable a yet unannounced new EvE anti-lag feature.

But I am not mainstream enough for the blobby doctrines, to me a fleet with more than 10 is too heavy blobbing.

2) It has to do that the people there and here are the same. When the bugfix affected them they created ample whiny threads against the "unfair nerf". The very same guy who considers moving L5 as a due bugfix.

Both were bug fixes stopping exploiters but somehow the former was a noble activity that got halted by CCP, the latter is due diligence.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1326 - 2013-09-09 19:37:08 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Some new lessons in hypocrisy.


No, this is a new lesson in prejudice, namely yours against pvp types.

What does the fact that exploiters cried about the boomerang bug fix have to do with the fact that it (like high sec lvl 5s) was a bug and that fixing a bug is never a nerf?

The answer is: nothing.


1) I always and exclusively PvP both in EvE and in the other 3 MMOs I am currently playing or have recently played.

In EvE it happens to be WvW (wallet vs wallet) PvP. Furthermore I miss and regret every day, the golden days when I was in a great PVP corp.

*I* was there when FW produced so much lag that a dev logged on in local and told us to edit our .ini files to enable a yet unannounced new EvE anti-lag feature.

But I am not mainstream enough for the blobby doctrines, to me a fleet with more than 10 is too heavy blobbing.

2) It has to do that the people there and here are the same. When the bugfix affected them they created ample whiny threads against the "unfair nerf". The very same guy who considers moving L5 as a due bugfix.

Both were bug fixes stopping exploiters but somehow the former was a noble activity that got halted by CCP, the latter is due diligence.


So you're a highsec chauvinist.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1327 - 2013-09-09 19:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Some new lessons in hypocrisy.


No, this is a new lesson in prejudice, namely yours against pvp types.

What does the fact that exploiters cried about the boomerang bug fix have to do with the fact that it (like high sec lvl 5s) was a bug and that fixing a bug is never a nerf?

The answer is: nothing.


1) I always and exclusively PvP both in EvE and in the other 3 MMOs I am currently playing or have recently played.

In EvE it happens to be WvW (wallet vs wallet) PvP. Furthermore I miss and regret every day, the golden days when I was in a great PVP corp.

*I* was there when FW produced so much lag that a dev logged on in local and told us to edit our .ini files to enable a yet unannounced new EvE anti-lag feature.

But I am not mainstream enough for the blobby doctrines, to me a fleet with more than 10 is too heavy blobbing.

2) It has to do that the people there and here are the same. When the bugfix affected them they created ample whiny threads against the "unfair nerf". The very same guy who considers moving L5 as a due bugfix.

Both were bug fixes stopping exploiters but somehow the former was a noble activity that got halted by CCP, the latter is due diligence.


So you're a highsec chauvinist.


I too need to quote an entire conversation on the same page to address a point one post above my own in 5 words.

Nerf quoting.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1328 - 2013-09-09 19:44:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:


How will nerfing high make it easier to play in null then? You'll just have less high sec income to spend on null.

And nerfing incomes won't result in lower prices according to CCP. Prices aren't tied to the money supply.


It would give us a reason to do our PVE out in null because it would earn us more than in high sec.


You can choose to do this any time you like, I've never read so much crap in my life, how Baltec wants to nerf high sec to make null more attractive for him to play in, a null sec supporter that spends all of his time in high milking the system. Sounds like a ******* carebear to me. He's as risk averse as they get.

Pro Tip for Baltec, leave null for the bigger boys, you clearly haven't the Cahoonas...

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1329 - 2013-09-09 19:45:43 UTC
That was cold & harsh Little Dragon. Be mindful of their delicate nature.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#1330 - 2013-09-09 19:46:36 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:


And they are there. There are many entities in null and wh space that pve to a great extreme.

How do you not understand this: If you have a problem with making isk in null, it has nothing to do with high sec missioning.

If it does, feel free to point to whatever evidence you have that shows where lvl 4 missioners are making it impossible for you to make isk.

YOU want a boost to null faucets. Nothing wrong with that, you can make that case. But crying because it's easier for you to make isk in high sec isn't going to get you anywhere. Nor is nerfing lvl 4 missions in high sec.



Again, it makes no sence to be out in null when you can earn the exact same income or better in high sec where you are perfectly safe.



I earn shitloads out in null. So do my alliance friends, one guy practically finances the alliance ship replacement program and the pos fuel needs out of his corp donations alone. How he does it is simple, he doesn't dock up when he sees a neut in system.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#1331 - 2013-09-09 19:49:42 UTC
The short answer to the question posed by the OP is still >NO<.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1332 - 2013-09-09 19:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
La Nariz wrote:

So you're a highsec chauvinist.


No, just someone that advocated and actually achieved L4 and incursions nerfs well before you but knows when it's time to stop.
L4, expecially as played by the majority of missioneers, is now a middle of the pack activity and being middle of the pack it means it's balanced enough.
Min max blitzers could maybe get a tone down but since they basically only earn LP, nerfing the LP they earn would mean an important ISK sink going away. Nerfing ISK sinks = bad.

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Dave stark
#1333 - 2013-09-09 19:52:30 UTC
I'll admit, every time i'm in null sec i just think "i can make equal isk for less hassle, or just flat out more isk in high sec"
it really is quite frustrating because i want to be in null sec to do interesting things, but to fund that i find that the best place to be is... not in null sec.

sure i could just train another character to be my high sec cash cow but, really why should i?
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1334 - 2013-09-09 19:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
You could say that about level 1s as well. Because if you die a lot in null you will make zero income. That's not a symptom of high sec. That's an issue with nullsec.

Unfortunately they aren't going to add a passive "if your hovering in nullsec" ability that generates you isk to compensate.

The next time you think about that consider you can male billions without ever undocking and using just the contract system. Nerf trading!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1335 - 2013-09-09 20:00:25 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
I'll admit, every time i'm in null sec i just think "i can make equal isk for less hassle, or just flat out more isk in high sec"
it really is quite frustrating because i want to be in null sec to do interesting things, but to fund that i find that the best place to be is... not in null sec.

sure i could just train another character to be my high sec cash cow but, really why should i?


opportunity cost, why not have TWO highsec characters and make even more isk

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1336 - 2013-09-09 20:02:32 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

So you're a highsec chauvinist.


No, just someone that advocated and actually achieved L4 and incursions nerfs well before you but knows when it's time to stop.
L4, expecially as played by the majority of missioneers, is now a middle of the pack activity and being middle of the pack it means it's balanced enough.
Min max blitzers could maybe get a tone down but since they basically only earn LP, nerfing the LP they earn would mean an important ISK sink going away. Nerfing ISK sinks = bad.


Oh I agree keep the isk sinks, highsec still needs nerfs to balance risk : reward and make eve a good product. I think it hasn't happened because CCP* is a bit risk averse after the incarna disaster.

*This is not an impersonation of CCP. I am not an affiliate of CCP or any of its related companies. CCP and I are mutually exclusive independent entities.

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Dave stark
#1337 - 2013-09-09 20:04:56 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
I'll admit, every time i'm in null sec i just think "i can make equal isk for less hassle, or just flat out more isk in high sec"
it really is quite frustrating because i want to be in null sec to do interesting things, but to fund that i find that the best place to be is... not in null sec.

sure i could just train another character to be my high sec cash cow but, really why should i?


opportunity cost, why not have TWO highsec characters and make even more isk


:effort: the isk gain in high sec is high enough for me not to need/want a second character anyway.

although, i do have 2 accounts and when i was playing in high sec one account could adequately fund them both. however the bread winning account was the one i moved out of high sec. bit dumb on my part but meh, i guess isk isn't everything right?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1338 - 2013-09-09 20:05:16 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
You could say that about level 1s as well. Because if you die a lot in null you will make zero income. That's not a symptom of high sec. That's an issue with nullsec.

Unfortunately they aren't going to add a passive "if your hovering in nullsec" ability that generates you isk to compensate.

The next time you think about that consider you can male billions without ever undocking and using just the contract system. Nerf trading!


See trading has a ton of risk and can yield a tonne of reward so you just screwed up again. What we need is several features to fix this, a mission nerf, a gate tax for highsec, an autopilot tax for highsec, a ship size tax for highsec, a ship spin tax for highsec. Have to pay for those entitlements so it can still:

~H~i~g~h~s~e~c~~~i~s~~~S~a~f~e~

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1339 - 2013-09-09 20:06:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
I'll admit, every time i'm in null sec i just think "i can make equal isk for less hassle, or just flat out more isk in high sec"
it really is quite frustrating because i want to be in null sec to do interesting things, but to fund that i find that the best place to be is... not in null sec.

sure i could just train another character to be my high sec cash cow but, really why should i?


opportunity cost, why not have TWO highsec characters and make even more isk


:effort: the isk gain in high sec is high enough for me not to need/want a second character anyway.

although, i do have 2 accounts and when i was playing in high sec one account could adequately fund them both. however the bread winning account was the one i moved out of high sec. bit dumb on my part but meh, i guess isk isn't everything right?


That is sacrilege against highsec, isk/hr is sacred and any nerfing of it will make thousands of quit so eve dies.

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Dave stark
#1340 - 2013-09-09 20:09:51 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
That is sacrilege against highsec, isk/hr is sacred and any nerfing of it will make thousands of quit so eve dies.


oh no, a few scrubs quit because they can't amass wealth for the sake of amassing wealth. how will the game cope?