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Do Level 4 missions pay too much compared to 1 through 3?

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1281 - 2013-09-09 18:20:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
embrel wrote:
Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P.

…but neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null.
No, they weren't. Stop lying.


Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1282 - 2013-09-09 18:21:49 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
embrel wrote:
Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P.

…but neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null.
No, they weren't. Stop lying.


Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.


Tippia is telling the truth mr npc alt. I demand you produce scientific peer-reviewed journal articles showing Tippia is lieing otherwise your argument is invalid.


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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1283 - 2013-09-09 18:22:25 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
embrel wrote:
Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P.

…but neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null.
No, they weren't. Stop lying.


Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.


Tippia is telling the truth mr npc alt.

Maybe we can get a gm to declare to us the truth and then lock the thread

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1284 - 2013-09-09 18:22:54 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
embrel wrote:
Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P.

…but neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null.
No, they weren't. Stop lying.


Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.


Level 5 agents were never in high sec so yea, he was lying.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1285 - 2013-09-09 18:23:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
embrel wrote:
Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P.

…but neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null.
No, they weren't. Stop lying.


Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.


Level 5 agents were never in high sec so yea, he was lying.

Oh my

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1286 - 2013-09-09 18:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Maybe we can get a gm to declare to us the truth and then lock the thread


What a very good idea.

I present these words of reflection about the truth for the GMs:

Psalm 15:1-2 O LORD, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill? He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart;

Zechariah 8:16 These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;

Ephesians 4:25 Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:18 Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1287 - 2013-09-09 18:25:51 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Maybe we can get a gm to declare to us the truth and then lock the thread

What a very good idea.

It's so simple when you can find people who know exactly what is going on

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1288 - 2013-09-09 18:26:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.

It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.

Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that bounty earned in hisec is too high.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1289 - 2013-09-09 18:29:54 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Tippia wrote:
embrel wrote:
Prices sure will change. The form of S/D curves will remain, but they'll intersect at another P.

…but neither supply nor demand would change, so they'd intersect the same as before. As they've been so fond of pointing out, such a reduction wouldn't actually affect their buying power.

Caliph Muhammed wrote:
5s were moved to low sec to influence players going to null.
No, they weren't. Stop lying.


Only if you stop lying first. That would require you to stop posting though and we all know that will never happen.


Tippia is telling the truth mr npc alt.


You guys are as predictable as the rising sun. Any thread you disagree with you try and derail by attempting to shift the argument to something inane then when that doesn’t work you continue to troll until the thread becomes locked. Tippa was shown to be lying by Matrix earlier which didn’t hurt his/her credibility with me because she already had zero.

I realize this is the internet “BONJOUR” but because tipia or yourself type the words it still won’t make it true or factual.

Flame on master trolls.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1290 - 2013-09-09 18:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
The ole "third tangent activity ecology" fallacy.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1291 - 2013-09-09 18:33:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.

It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.

Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that too much bounties are earned in hisec.


Why did you edit this post? before you said "Slanting isn't lying" . I surmise that you edited this post because it demonstrated that you KNEW high sec lvl 5s were a bug rather than an intentional attempt by ccp to make people move.

You prove Tippia's point, you are lying and it says much about a person when they need to lie in an internet discussion where nothing can be gain or lost.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1292 - 2013-09-09 18:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
In my opnion, security of system doesn't determine level of risk, only the ruleset. The value of the ship you're flying in relation to the wealth you have determines the level of risk.


WHy are people in null not flying pimpmobile worth 5 bill while people in high do so? Hell they even push to 60 bill. Could it be because the lower risk in high sec make it so some people think it's worth a shot?


No, it's because they nerfed the supercaps that were used to farm PvE in there.

Back when I was in a FW corp, I had 2 corp mates flying faction geared marauders for PvP.
But after a while they stopped. Not because of the risk (any serious corp has ship replacement programs, ours covered fitted capitals too) but because those ships were not much effective and they were easy to jam and hard to fit within "fleet doctrines".

A good old Mega costs less and packs a punch.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1293 - 2013-09-09 18:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Jenn aSide wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.

It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.

Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that hisec is the reason.


Why did you edit this post? before you said "Slanting isn't lying" . I surmise that you edited this post because it demonstrated that you KNEW high sec lvl 5s were a bug rather than an intentional attempt by ccp to make people move.

You prove Tippia's point, you are lying and it says much about a person when they need to lie in an internet discussion where nothing can be gain or lost.


I said slanting? Im sure I said stating. I edit posts all the time. Grammatical errors, adding of ideas, further elaborating.

Tell me jenn, why do you and Tippia expend so much energy trying to convince the community i'm a liar?

Do you feel they incapable of detecting deception?

Or is it that you feel i'm able to convey an idea that conflicts with your agenda better than most?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1294 - 2013-09-09 18:41:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Lying is intentional, stating something factually incorrect isn't. That's called being mistaken. Learn the difference. But by all means continue to attack the character and not the idea.

It let's me know how mad you are and that's very amusing to me. Amuse me.

Lying is pretending to understand the economy and making up terms such as activity ecology and third tangent and pointing to a stat sheet that says this amount of income from all bounties of EVE shows proof that too much bounties are earned in hisec.

Why did you edit this post? before you said "Slanting isn't lying" . I surmise that you edited this post because it demonstrated that you KNEW high sec lvl 5s were a bug rather than an intentional attempt by ccp to make people move.

You prove Tippia's point, you are lying and it says much about a person when they need to lie in an internet discussion where nothing can be gain or lost.

Highsec incomes are at stake here :colbert:

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1295 - 2013-09-09 18:50:08 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:

I said slanting? Im sure I said stating. I edit posts all the time. Grammatical errors, adding of ideas, further elaborating. Tell me jenn, why do you and Tippia expend so much energy trying to convince the community i'm a liar?


I'm not trying to convince the community of anything. I'm telling YOU I see your lies. What grown man needs to lie on an internet forum?

Quote:

Do you feel they incapable of detecting deception?

Or is it that you feel i'm able to convey an idea that conflicts with your genda better than most?


You must be daft, because you haven't conveyed any worthwhile ideas.

I just get tired of stupid people trying to project themselves on others (such as your idea of out "agenda") My agenda is truth, even when it doesn't suit my personal needs (like for instance, I'm going to cry when my mach and cynabal get nerfed, but I also know it will make for a more balanced game). People like you can't separate their personal needs from the greater good, hi sec is full of you guys.

I deal with dishonest people all day long so i know your type when I see them (i'd pay real money to take a peak at your wrap sheet). Like you, they never seem to be able to admit that they lie...ironic to see a liar lie to themselves lol.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1296 - 2013-09-09 18:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Considering the majority of missions are run in hi sec, any flat nerf impacts high sec a lot more than the other secs.


No it does not. Nerfs outside of high sec affect the game more because people making isk out of high sec tend to use their money for ships that blow up.


Yeah, those making isk out of high sec are the only noble beings ~entitled~ at making lots of ISK because only they will buy ships that will blow up.

It can't happen that people will grind ISK to PvP in the week end, or gankers who want to get ISK to step up their game or guys who want to get ISK to start buying stock and become traders. Hi sec is evidenty full of 50B golems muppets who grind ISK to grind more ISK.


Jenn aSide wrote:

Fixing a bug is never a nerf, period. It's the fault of the players who exploited the bug that they lost out, not ccp. CCPs only fault is allowing the situation to go on for 3 years.


Some new lessons in hypocrisy. When CCP nerfed the blatant boomerang exploit these forums were a lake of tears by the same guys (not you) who are here blessing everyone with their "unbiased" wisdom.

That was seen as an unfair nerf (it lasted a long time too), but a mechanic that benefitted the shoddy, leper hi seccers is just an exploit and damn them for believing a 3 years mechanic was actually meant to stay as is.


I mean, I am one of those who wanted L5 moved to low sec and happy it happened. But the amount of hypocrisy in this forum is pathetic and needs to be pointed out.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1297 - 2013-09-09 18:53:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:

I said slanting? Im sure I said stating. I edit posts all the time. Grammatical errors, adding of ideas, further elaborating. Tell me jenn, why do you and Tippia expend so much energy trying to convince the community i'm a liar?


I'm not trying to convince the community of anything. I'm telling YOU I see your lies. What grown man needs to lie on an internet forum?

Quote:

Do you feel they incapable of detecting deception?

Or is it that you feel i'm able to convey an idea that conflicts with your genda better than most?


You must be daft, because you haven't conveyed any worthwhile ideas.

I just get tired of stupid people trying to project themselves on others (such as your idea of out "agenda") My agenda is truth, even when it doesn't suit my personal needs (like for instance, I'm going to cry when my mach and cynabal get nerfed, but I also know it will make for a more balanced game). People like you can't separate their personal needs from the greater good, hi sec is full of you guys.

I deal with dishonest people all day long so i know your type when I see them (i'd pay real money to take a peak at your wrap sheet). Like you, they never seem to be able to admit that they lie...ironic to see a liar lie to themselves lol.

Would you say they are misrepresenting themselves...

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1298 - 2013-09-09 18:53:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
[quote=Frostys Virpio]

No, it's because they nerfed the supercaps that were used to farm PvE in there.
.


A Shiney incursion fleet is worth more than several super carriers.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#1299 - 2013-09-09 18:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Then ignore my posts Jenn. You aren't going to silence me by calling me a liar.

Jenns agenda is truth lol. Eve's messiah. I told Jenn hed make a good preacher.

Hey preacher if heaven required me living next to you id rather reside in hell. Pass the message to your deity.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1300 - 2013-09-09 18:56:22 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Then ignore my posts Jenn. You aren't going to silence me by calling me a liar.


Why would I want to silence comedy? Why do you think you are important enough for me to want to "silence" you.

If you want to make yourself look like a....whatever it is you make yourself look like, that's you choice. I chose to point and laugh at your pitiful self.